Politics Apr 16, 2009 at 4:41 pm

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The problem with this law is that drivers do not have confidence in what a biker will or won't do. I am not convinced that Idaho is a good test scenario.

A biker since I was 4 with two pretty close calls after being hit by cars pulling out of driveways/parking spots, I don't mind stopping at signs, or doing anything that increases my survivability in a world of cars. There is almost no condition in a city where a rolling stop is guaranteed to keep you safe. You just don't have the capacity to look three directions, while rolling, and know the state of cars that may or may not be in movement. More importantly, they don't know whether or not you are stopping when you are rolling, so your life is then based on their guess. We of course will have iffy laws where one persons roll-through is another persons law breaking. There's no easy determination by an officer to tell what is safe and what isn't.

Why do we stop--period--in cars? In theory it is to get eye contact. You are checking to make sure the drivers across and to the side of you SEE you. I just can't see a rolling stop allowing for such a situation in all cases.

Now let's get to the social aspect. Cars already see bikers blow through control devices, either red lights or stop signs. This law gives bikers, already a somewhat hated group because of this blatant disrespect for the law, further leverage to blame the biker in any crash. "I hit him because I thought he was going to stop, but apparently he rolled through."

There are no federal laws that are in planning for this. Perhaps if the whole country was planning this, it might work.

Idaho, as mentioned in the video, is vastly rural, and biking isn't necessarily centered around metro areas like Portland and Eugene are.

And quiet side streets are where I am much more petrified of cars. I can't see them pulling out of driveways, foliage, intersections where vans/suv's block corner visibility, the inability to determine the sign conditions in changing residential areas. Dedicate bike thru-ways maybe with priority for bikes? That seems like a better experiment than this.

As a biker, that wants biking to flourish, I think full stops should be required.
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You've got a good point. As a bicyclist myself I've been kinda wary about this idea. I've nearly been hit by assholes who think because they are on a bike they don't have to follow ANY traffic law. I'd rather be inconvenienced than smeared all over the road.

This whole bikes VS cars things is childish on both sides. That said, I've been keeping tabs on how many times I've rolled through a stop sign on backstreets around town and I've been doing it a lot.

I think the problem here is more of teaching people COMMON SENSE when they are using a bike or car. Why do the lawyers in bike racing gear types insist on riding down Hawthorne during rush hour??? There are 2 backstreets to use on either side that have little or no stop signs and very little traffic. Taunting drivers will end up getting you your own commemorative Ghost Bike.
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Idaho has rural areas but it also has large cities. In very dense areas traffic tends to be controlled by signals, which this law does not apply to so they are less relevant. If Boise were a City in Oregon it would be the second largest city in the state. Even if you add in all of Springfield's population, Eugene which you referred to as one of Oregon's metro areas has a smaller population than Boise.

27 years of success in Idaho is a valid reason to think that it would also work well here in Oregon.
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if you feel unsafe about not stopping, dont not stop! (double negative) its not like they are making it illegal to do so.
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I mention Eugene because it is a top bike city in this country, not because of population size.

"if you feel unsafe about not stopping, dont not stop! "
This is like saying if I don't like this country, leave it. Yeah, well, I don't like it, but there are alternatives, such as working to make it better.

I'm not going to freak if this law is passed, I just won't have sympathy for bikers when they are creamed at the same rate as previously. This law does nothing to improve safety, regardless of Idaho history with it.

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