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Wtf I didn't know El Pato Feliz had tomales!
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I wonder if everyone in Lents knows the fate of their neighborhood could be decided over a few mojitos.
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Maybe Cora and Randy can walk down from the stadium, so the good Commissioner can get a feel for what fans will have to do after games for this cockamamie scheme to be successful. The businesses are in the Lents Town Center, the stadium is a half mile away at Holgate, and the urban development part of the plan is based on people not using the adjacent MAX station and instead walking, sometimes away from their cars, to Foster Road through a residential neighborhood.

And I really don't think Cora is merely tentatively supportive, as evidenced by the defense of the plan she posted here: http://ilovelents.com/?p=208#comments
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Give me a break Nick. I'm living proof that the walk between Lents Park and the Town Center is short enough to be a thrice daily activity. BTW if you go to Ararat, order the drink with the pear Stoli, Hypnotic and Sprite. They aren't stingy with the pour and it's the perfect drink for the setting.

And since when did pointing out logical fallacies and inconsistency of "fact" become synonymous with unwavering support? The rest is all housing talk - which is a tertiary subject.

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Oh and the Duck does have tamales (sometimes) but they do not have mojitos (sadly).
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Cora Potter has been a strong supporter of placing the new Beaver's stadium in Lents. Some Lents Town Center Urban Renewal Advisory Committee members have stated they do not want to publicly admit they are for the stadium in Lents Park because of the majority of Lents community members opposing the idea.
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@Dan Newth

It's sort of hard to buy your statement, "the majority of Lents community members opposing the idea." Especially when the only study done asking the question said that Lents residents favored the stadium located in Lents by a 2-1 margin. But don't let a little thing like an actual study get in the way of you interpreting what the entire Lents community wants. I also wonder how many people that want that stadium there would come out and publically say they want it after what I witnessed at the event at the park when the first guy who got up to say he supported the ballpark being sited in the Park was shouted at angrily by members of the crowd.

Actual study done: http://ilovelents.com/?p=146
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Blacked Out,

That "study" was not a study. It was a mailed questionnaire most people didn't even open (1/9 people responded). The fact that 50% of respondents answered in the affirmative to the question 'had they been to a Beavers game in the last year?' means that in all likelihood there was a huge overrepresentation of baseball fans in the survey population.

Also, you cannot include the responses "somewhat agree", in your tally, which you repeat endlessly, that Lents people support the stadium "2:1" "Somewhat agree" responses reflect uncertainty and INADEQUATE DEVELOPMENT OF INFORMATION.

So the percentages of respondents who "definitely agreed" to the statements of support were:

support stadium overall? ...............37%
think it will make for jobs?............43%
help the neighborhood?..................41%
have sports historically been wise public investments?............................42%

link to the study:
http://www.driven-research.com/lents-powel…
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@genetorio

You're correct. I should have called it a questionnaire.

You're not correct by dismissing those who say they somewhat agree. In that sense you would dismiss anyone that said they somewhat disagree. Therefore those who "Strongly Support" the stadium in Lents at 37.3% and those "Strongly Opposed" at 23%. That's a 14.3% lead for those who strongly support building the stadium there.

It could also be contested about who you choose to reccognize. You're complaining that 50% of the respondents said they'd been to a baseball game in the last year so baseball fans were over represented. Maybe that neighborhood just has a lot of baseball fans? Lots of people didn't vote in 2000. We got George W Bush because of it. Tough shit if you didn't fill out the questionnaire and didn't make your voice heard.

So the only evidence we have to date, even using your numbers by dismissing anyone leaning for or against the project, there are still 14.3% more supporting the project in the neighborhood than those opposed in the only survey done about putting a stadium there.
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@Cora - I think your support is halfway between tentative and unwavering. I'll let you name the adjective that fits in that range.

Make sure the boys try the light red hot sauce at the counter. Unless they don't like spicy.
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Cora Potter, from the ilovelents link:

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..."need vs want" is opinion, not fact. East Portland needs a major cultural and sporting event venue to serve it’s population.
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It sounds like the city council and Ms. Potter could use another pass through 2nd grade where we learn the difference between 'wants' and 'needs'. Apparently mommy never taught her that she doesn't 'need' an ice cream cone.
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BlackedOut, I can't believe you are still trotting out that poll.

The poll was sent to Lents and Powellhurst-Gilbert residents LAST YEAR before anyone know that $42 million would be taken from the Lents URA.

Only 10% of the residents responded, so it is not an accurate representation of the neighborhood. The poll was also not an election, so you can't say bullshit like "Tough shit if you didn't fill out the questionnaire and didn't make your voice heard." Yes, we all know how much you would love to marginalize anyone who is opposed to this horrible plan.

A few things stand out from that poll. Simple park improvements and livable wage jobs are supported almost unanimously. Parking and traffic are big concerns about a new stadium. People want a grocery store more than a stadium.

How will taking $42 million from the Lents URA fix the current traffic issues that will only get worse with a new stadium? How will taking $42 million from the Lents URA help bring a new grocery store to the neighborhood? I doubt baseball fans are going to shop for groceries on the way to and from the MAX. How will taking $42 million from the Lents URA create livable wage jobs? Workers at PGE Park are already subsidized by the city because the Paulsons do not pay them livable wage jobs, and those jobs will just be transferred from PGE Park to the new stadium at Lents Park.
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I love it when people criticize a poll and say it's worthless, and then go on to quote the bits of it they like as strong evidence for their point of view...

(BTW, from a statistical point of view, 10% is a huge response rate. Most national opinion polls are based on a few thousand people out of 300 million. You can validly say it's a self-selecting sample, but you can't criticize the number of respondents if you want to be taken seriously)
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Stu, the poll is worthless in terms of citing it as support of the baseball stadium proposal because it was taken LAST YEAR before any details about the stadium proposal were known. Does that make sense? It's easy to answer yes to "Would you like a new pony?" before you learn how much shit the pony will leave all over your yard.

The things I pointed out in the poll are constants. The parking and traffic issues are still present, even without the stadium, as is the desire for a grocery store and livable wages.
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I want a pony. Can't I just let it shit in someone else's yard... or park?
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All this excitement makes me want to move to Lents, so I'd have a real dog in this fight.

Anyone have a room for rent?
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That Bohemian Grove comment was hilarious
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I'm confused. So a questionnaire is sent out. 900 Lents residents respond to it. The results of said questionnaire are published.

Some people don't like said results, the Lents park plan and the questionnaire.

Their response? To criticize the questionnaire as being invalid because of a) sample size b) style of questions c) timing.

Okay, I'm with you so far. All fair questions.

But then as evidence for the invalidity of this questionnaire and as evidence that the people of Lents actually are against this proposal critics of this plan offer up......your own opinion?

Get back to us when you have something real.
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Oh and Matt,

Calling Cora Potter a "boss" insinuates all sorts of things that I am sure you didn't mean to insinuate right? RIGHT?

After all she is actually a volunteer (as are all NA, URAC members) who gives freely of her time to try to make her neighborhood better and whatever side of this debate we come down on we should all respect and appreciate (as someone who used to sit on a URAC) the amount of time and commitment these volunteers put into these efforts. Often without a single thank you from their neighbors.

So Matt, let's reserve "the boss' BS for the actual captains of industry shall we?
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At the meetings at the park and at the Copper Penny, 95% of the people were AGAINST a ballpark in Lents Park!
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At the last 3 meetings, 2 at the park and one at Copper Penny, 95% of the people were against the proposal! Some of the LNA board members didn't like it, and simply walked out, adjourning the meeting! URAC has NO requirement to even ask what the majority want, and some people are trying to force this thing through.

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