15 minutes was like, a while ago

Wow, and I thought that I'd heard it all. "Death Panel"? Hmm... Having no insurance available to a baby with Downs Syndrome sounds like more of a "Death Panel" to me. Aren't the real death panels the insurance dealers that deny coverage for pre-existing conditions?

Logan's Run

What an idiot.

Of course, on the other side of the political spectrum, there are idiots who want to use CRC tolls to pay for health care.

Also from the 'O' - "Closer to home, a health care provision written by Rep. Earl Blumenauer, D-Ore., has been the target of widespread and especially intense comment. His provision would allow Medicare to pay for end of life consultations"

Sounds like a 'death panel' to me.

Sarah Palin is the gift that keeps on giving.

Madam Palin:

First, liberals gone bad are "socialists" or "communists". Conservatives gone bad are "fascists" or "nazis". There is no such thing as a "socialist nazi". Such things are contradictory. Much like neo-con and intelligent. They cannot exist together at least in this reality.

Second, no one, least of all Mr. Obama, has suggested a "death panel".

Third, when conservatives, especially neo-cons, run out of things to say which they usually do within a sentence or two, they immediately make things up and call people names.

Disgusting.

Jacomus

You may want to look at where the word 'nazi' actually comes from Jacomus.

And she says the media needs to stop making stuff up...

Another fine message brought to you by your national and local Republicants

I laughed. Is this is what Jim Kunstler means when he refers to "cornpone fascism?" She's got the "cornpone" nailed anyway.

YOU GO SARAH! The America I know and love isn't like that nasty ol' death panel! The America I know and love is a just and compassionate land where the only way you can be denied healthcare is by being poor!

Why the hell isn't Obama setting up pro-health rallies? Our side just doesn't care about winning. We might not have such golden opportunities to laugh at a moron like Palin if we actually got our way! Then where would we be?

Jacomus damn it, you made me say D is right about something. Nazi is short for Nationale Sozialisten or National Socialist. Of course, in practice they were about as socialist as the Soviets were Marxist communists.

Well, I'm all for it. Let's add some psychosocial testing, peer certification and a fee based on future use of public health services in escrow prior to intentionally bearing a disabled child.

We have the technology - it's the will which gets in the way.

Obama is a “socialist” about as much as North Korea is a “Republic.” Half the nastiest regimes in the world have the word “democratic” in their titles. These terms have been thrown around in popular and political arenas like a rag doll. They mean nothing anymore.

Obama is a “socialist” about as much as North Korea is a “Republic.” Half the nastiest totalitarian regimes in the world have the word “democratic” in their titles. These terms have been thrown around in popular and political arenas like a rag doll. They mean nothing anymore.

Obama needs to get the message out to younger voters that the prime opponents of his health care proposals are those for whom it's a moot point - old fuckers on Medicare.

Counter the Republican rhetoric with "the so-called Greatest Generation are barring the doors to the hospitals!" hyperbole and get that shit out on MTV, Bill Clinton-style. It would be SO EASY to motivate Gen X and Y with some good old fashioned generation-gap warmongering.

From the Wikipedia:

"Nazism ... refers to the ideology and practices of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party or NSDAP under Adolf Hitler, and the policies adopted by the dictatorial government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945.

Nazism is often considered by scholars to be a form of fascism. While it incorporated elements from both left and right-wing politics, the Nazis formed most of their alliances on the right. The Nazis were one of several historical groups that used the term National Socialism to describe themselves, and in the 1920s they became the largest such group. The Nazi Party presented its program in the 25 point National Socialist Program in 1920. Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, Pan-Germanism, racism, collectivism, eugenics, antisemitism, anti-communism, totalitarianism and opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism.

In the 1930s, Nazism was not a monolithic movement, but rather a (mainly German) combination of various ideologies and philosophies which centered around nationalism, anti-communism, traditionalism and the importance of the ethnostate."

So , socialist in name, not in practice.

Nothing like "Branding" - Call who you want, what you want. As iterated above the Nazis were/are not Socialists AND the country is not moving towards Socialism. Some programs though need to be Socialized, like HealthCare. Our Founding Fathers would have approved of Socialized programs (i.e. Healthcare). The People have unalienable Rights, that among these are Life (need to be Healthy for that and have Insurance), Liberty (the right to choose the Insurance – Public or Private) and the pursuit of Happiness (being able to afford the Insurance). Stop the Lies, the Government is not going Socialist and the Health Reform provides Choices and Savings; NOT “Death Panels” and lack of Choices…