This will create large amounts of systemic change. What are their goals again?

Ah, to be young... Live blogging from your Condo, Matt?

"Protect those who are participating in property destruction. Ensure that there are more bloc members near them then cops." What a bunch of entitled pussies! If you're "protesting" so the PPD will be held responsible and accountable for their actions, then you, the "protesters," should be doing the same thing. If you want to destroy other people's property, then destroy it ~~ but at least nut up enough to face whatever consequences might arise from such.

Ohh...or as the Hüskers wrote:

People talk of anarchy
And taking up the fight
Well, I'm afraid of things like that
I lock my doors at night

I don't rape and I don't pillage
Other people's lives
I don't practice what you preach
And I don't see through your eyes

You wanna change the world
By breaking rules and laws
People don't do things like that
In the real world at all

Rahm was right about these people.

Right on humanclock.

"If you become separated locate the black flag, if there isn't one depending on police proximity find a safe place to de-bloc"

Crybabies like this think inflicting violence on their fellow citizens - and attempting to on the police - is a game.
They will rue the bitterness of "anarchy" once they get a true taste.

And if this gets rained out, like I think it will. I will laugh my ass off!

- Remember to be ineffectual and violent for no reason. This will differentiate you from the police you are ostensibly protesting. Few things say "I disapprove of police violence" more clearly than an overturned mailbox, or a smashed Starbucks window.

- Be sure to leave all sense of proportionality, reasonableness and nuance at home. These are not useful, and will only weigh down your Carhartts.

-Make sure you get a lot of pictures for Facebook, y'all! You'll need proof you were once "hardcore" in 10 years, believe me.

Just letting you all know this is a residential area. If you disturb the peace, you'll be stopped by PSU authorities (because I'll call them in a heartbeat if you're too loud).

I give a rat's ass about your message and my phone call will only be made if you disturb my domicile. Otherwise, good luck with your protest.

Just please be considerate of those of us who live in the South Parks, is all I ask.

And the Man will stop because of some punk kids smashing windows. The Man has insurance so we all pay for the destruction of property, this is beyond dumb.

You want to hurt the Man? Then rip-up the basement bar at the Arlington Club -- now that would piss off the Man.

Smash your own shit, and beat yourselves up so the cops don't get an excuse to. Now THAT would piss them off.

- If this is your first time attending a protest and you are single, please do not try to get into an affinity group with Megan, Radiant Moonflower, or Josh. They all have significant others and you would be wasting your time.

"-Chant loudly. Make sure to be louder then any liberal or reformist message being said."

Pretty sure that should be "louder THAN" not "louder THEN". You idiot kids need to be attending school. Spring Break is over, numbnuts.

@Jacattak: Spring break is over. That's why this 'protest' is happening so close to the PSU campus. I expect their turn out to be about five people.

Graham - Goodness I hope you're right. I have precious little time for interruptions this evening. ;)

These guys are totally going to change everything. We're going to wake to a completely different society tomorrow.

I am saddened by the lack of heart in this community. I appreciate the info as always but jesus christ. Too much arm chair opinion out there. If others helped us to organize a movement, then those who carry the flag now might not feel the need to use certain tactics. Maybe, maybe not.

The people will be in the streets today with a variety of tactics, and it is you and your families that we fight for as well.

-If you are a member or leader of a fringe third party, be sure to commandeer the bullhorn at some point to make a specious link from the issue at hand to why people should join the Pacific Green/Freedom Socialist/Oregon Progressive/Balls-to-the-Wall Party.

@rad chani

If you want more support, maybe you shouldn't destroy the property of the people you are "fighting" for. Are there any examples of a violent revolution leading to better world? I honestly can't think of any.

If you want to fight for me and my family, then please don't provoke the cops or screw up the bus ride home. Instead, please sign the recall petition and smoke a bowl then eat some organic cheese puffs and chill out with some IPA.

Rad, my family is just fine, so take a break tonight. Go see a movie.

rad_chani Family Check In: Everything's good here.
Would recommend renting instead of going to a movie. Just saw Fantastic Mr. Fox and it was pretty awesome.

Fantastic Mr. Fox WAS bloody awesome. Great alternative to tonight's vinegar-laden (WTF???) masquerade.

HGH - I understand that sometimes people who are not violent are part of protests that get violent but when you purposely go to a Black Bloc protest where the expectations of violence are lined out and clearly promoted then I think it's same to assume that you condone the violence. You are standing with them and their message is clear.

Lots of different people will be at the protest today. Anarchists will form a black bloc to participate in the demonstration. All the criticism directed at people organizing against police violence is pathetic. People poking fun on a blog comments section are the real assholes.

HGH, you have to understand their game:

1) Goad cops into confrontation.
2) If you're not getting a response, provoke some more.
3) Still nothing? Ratchet up the provocation. For instance, chuck a bike at a cop's head.
4) When you finally get the response out of the cops you've been looking for, act surprised and affronted, like you have no idea where such a response could be coming from.
5) Run away.
6) Tell girls about these exploits in attempt to get laid.
7) Pretend it wasn't all just about getting laid from the beginning.
8) Read some Chomsky.
9) Repeat.

Lots of different people will be at the protest today. Anarchists will form a black bloc to participate in the demonstration. All the criticism directed at people organizing against police violence is pathetic. People poking fun on a blog comments section are the real assholes.

Pablo, what they are suggesting is not an effective protest. The general public can identify with the police more readily than they can identify with a black bloc group.

@mediocrePDXartist: "Are there any examples of a violent revolution leading to better world?"

I guess that depends on whether or not your better world includes a French monarchy, taxation without representation, or the movie "Spartacus".

Seriously, I'll add a third voice recommending Mr. Fox. I believe it's showing at more than one inner-city theater that serves beer. And the weather's just so darn nasty, don't you think you would have more fun?

Remember when Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. threw his bicycle at that one cop and said, "Fuck you Terry. you're not my real dad, er... I mean stop oppressing me pig!" Yeah, that was a pivotal moment in civil rights history. Pivotal.

Oh, shit! I think I found the bloc's next political action target after they change society tonight:

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2010/03/3…

To arms, comrades!

I hear the cops will be administering house party punk show flyers offering free cans of Hamms as a tear gas substitute.

I can't wait to head down there later tonight to gather up some of that discarded bloc-fabulous, protest clothing!

Jason for Comment of the Week.

Seriously, we allow these people to walk around and destroy property in protests of cop killing???? LMFAO. Ya violence will win the public and make the state understand what your protesting....lol. OOOOOOO you might even get on TV!!! which is why most these morons go.

Anyone goto this? Was it as terribly embarrassing as I think it was?

Portlanders don't know how good they have it. Quit yer freakin whining already... Why don't you go move to COMPTON or the BRONX?? Then come complain to me about "OMG they killed 2 people". Not saying it is OK, but for chrissake.

Portlanders have no idea how easy they have it with the cops here. Why don't these pansy asses move to COMPTON or THE BRONX?? I'd like to see how they feel about their 2 dead in police shootings then. Not saying it's OK, but jus sayin.

Jesus. Obviously none of you were around during the Viet Nam protests. The ONLY thing that gets attention is destruction, preferably property over people. I'm proud of those who would at least attempt to confront the miserable excuse of a police force we are all subiected to. Tear it up!

i've done my fair share of protesting/activism/direct action in the past, and for the most part i think that it really accomplished nothing, and i really don't want to get in on this mess. but i couldn't let this one go.... @medicorePDXartist how about 1776? i believe that it was a violent revolution. and, as far as i can tell, it made things better. granted, we've taken that better and turned it into a bunch of shite in the interim, but...

@Austin, yes it was. I was trying to get to class today and was interrupted by a group of people swarming and blocking the doors to the Smith Student Union.

@Macbeth, people will take you seriously if you take the time to articulate your comment and double check your spelling, subjected. Let me ask you, your life or someone else. An attacker has a razor knife like the 58-year-old man in Hoyt Arboretum or you truly believe another man has a gun and so do you, what do you do? Do you take the risk and hope they don't attack/shoot you? Luckily most of us will never have to answer the question, whose life is more important mine or theirs? For those of you who think these police officers are trigger happy realize that the MAJORITY of police officers will never draw their weapons.

Protesting what you feel is 'excessive violence' with violence is hypocritical. Those of you who joined who didn't necessarily agree with the method are just as bad. There is no way you can join a protest like this and then justifiably disagree with their methods. Create a more peaceful atmosphere. Gather some people and a list of your issues and have a discussion, brainstorm change. Get a mic and an amp and A PERMIT. Send out a memo and flyers to the media so your voice is heard. I may not agree with you on these issues but I would respectfully listen and commend you for non violent, respectful, intelligent discussion.

actually working and not sitting on your ape asses collecting welfare, you wouldn't have all this time for stupid protesting

I'm sorry but

reality check here. I was there, I witnessed most of the protest. VIOLENCE is not a blanket term. VIOLENCE against another human, like say shooting them in the back or in the leg with a bean bag gun, is one thing, destroying property, in particular property owned by large corporations, like say bank of america, who contributed quite a bit to of our economic plight at the moment, is a completely different matter altogether. The two are not equal.

Also Brandie, Frederick Douglas once said "Power concedes nothing". i think these are very wise words. To suggest that asking those who already have power over our police for permission to display our anger at how they have managed said police is ludicrous. That is not a path to change. If the city government thought that such a march would force them to change their handling of police they would, logically, either accommodate the marchers demands beforehand or deny the permits.

sorry for a slight misqoute and also for any other grammatical errors. Here is the full sentence of the quote and some more for bonus.
" Let me give you a word of the philosophy of reform. The whole history of the progress of human liberty shows that all concessions yet made to her august claims, have been born of earnest struggle. The conflict has been exciting, agitating, all-absorbing, and for the time being, putting all other tumults to silence. It must do this or it does nothing. If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightening. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters."


"This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."
Frederick Douglas

"destroying property, in particular property owned by large corporations, like say bank of america, who contributed quite a bit to of our economic plight at the moment, is a completely different matter altogether. The two are not equal.

ah yes. these types of violence are not equal. but, let me pose this question: was bank of america (or starbucks, or the insurance agency from last week) complicit with the PPB in shooting people?

ok. the answer is obviously no. so, while the "anarchist" protesters, in these instances, have misdirected their anger/violence/whatever. smashing the bank of america or starbucks window is all great. down with corporations. corporations are bad. whatever ideology you want to support. but does smashing those windows further your cause against the police killing people? to anyone outside the group of protesters? most likely not. it actually serves to hinder your intent. that is chaos. chaos is not anarchy. and anarchy, in it's utopian ideal, is not chaos. figure it out.

obviously no? maybe not so obvious for some reece. And, by the way, targeting property destruction at powerful businesses is effective because they have alot more sway than you do. If you make your support of an issue an annoyance or hinderance to them then you are quite possibly strengthening your cause. Oh, also, thank you very much for posing an unrelated question and then answering it for me. If you want to call out my comment at least address the content. I did not attempt to comment on the efficacy of property destruction as a tactic but to distinguish it from physical violence, as the two were being conflated in this thread, and to point out that protest, by definition, cannot be effective when it is forced to adhere to the rules of its target.

wow. i believe i did adrees the content of your comment. i agree that those are completely different types of violence.

also, i highly doubt that smashing windows of starbucks and b of a will make them support the cause. as for the small local insurance company? who can say, but i'm sure that while they may support the cause of wanting some kind of accountability of our police, or better yet, a change in they way they respond, i highly doubt that they will be stoked to support a group of protesters that made them pay to get their window fixed.

also- is that question really unrelated? i don't think so.
busting windows of a police station, of police cars, city hall, etc. that would be a better form of protest, as it targets those which the protest was implicitly ABOUT.