Yeah, it IS bu!!$#!+.
The same, corrupt bu!!$#!+ the rest of us have been putting up with for years from those elected to run this city.
How does it feel?
The noble comment means they should not be subject to the rules as the rest of us peons, since they embody a collective 'feeling' Portlanders need to fool themselves about their city on a daily basis.
I really appreciate the fact that the City is treating these people with kid gloves. It would not be difficult for them to just go in and tear down all of the unlicensed structures.
@smirk: Did Leonard actually use the phrase, "propane-tank missiles"? I fucking hope so!
i love the food carts but there is no reason for seating and covered eating areas. you're already eating out of the back of storage shed, you might as well just sit on the curb or keep walking while you eat. this reminds me of when i was a kid and would build forts out of blankets and chairs with my sister. we would keep making the forts more and more elaborate until we realized that basically what we ended up with was a bedroom with chairs in the middle of it and blankets as wallpaper. keep the food carts as food carts and leave the patios in the suburbs and on the rooftops of yuppie condos.
If food cart vendors have been building fixed structures without first checking to see if it's permissible, it's kind of their own fault if they're getting into trouble over it now.
Thirdly, the only reason the city is doing this is because they were called out by KATU for not selectively - or not at all- enforcing their OWN rules on Portland's politically correct protected class.
if one of those patios collapsed and crushed a bunch of people, foodcarts would not have the insurance to cover it because.......that's right, because they're foodcarts! if you're a foodcart owner, well, it sucks. but it's not bullshit. you can sell food out of a trailer or open a restaurant, but you can't have it both ways
This is quite an outpouring of bile about some unbelievably simple structures, and it would definitely surprise me to learn that food carts carry no insurance - if I owned a commercial lot that rented space to a cart, proof of adequate insurance would be an obvious requirement from any tenants.
For as many people work downtown, there really aren't a lot of good options to eat lunch in the winter and stay dry, unless you a) count the food court at Pioneer Place (which basically is all corporate food, except for one or two exceptions) or b) get your food and go back to the break room or your cube in your office, or c) sit on a bench someplace in the rain. It's nice to be able to get out of the office for a while and have a meal, and these new SIMPLE structures are a great way to do that. It's a pity that the City can't figure out a better way to accommodate these instead of lumping them in with houses. These are nothing like houses.
Wasn't there a city permit thingy implemented awhile back to subsidize small housing? I wonder if the food carts could somehow be grandfathered into that.
Maybe the parking lot owner (who makes a mint off the food carts) could just build a large covered seating area in the middle, like a SE Asian outdoor food court? They could charge higher rents then, it would be permitted by the city, food cart owners will get higher sales, we'll get somewhere to stay dry... Win win win win?
" if you have ever tried to navigate the waters of undefined and arbitrarily enforced city codes.
Try it and come back to me."
I have, D. But I'm not whingeing about it like it's merely specific to this town. That shit's universal. The missing component to all your troll-ish crap is always specifics. Feel free to share your woeful tale of persecution any time.
@SPK: Seems like whatever BS "expose" drummed up by KATU for sweeps week results in reckless overreaction from the city. Remember the reporter sitting in a chair in the SE Holgate bike lane to prove no one uses it?
My #1 regret of 2010 is that I wasn't riding that route that morning. I would have barreled directly into him and then sued the hell out of KATU. Their lack of journalistic ethics and completely willful ignorance of what is "newsworthy" just disgusts me. I'll stick to KOIN and KGW.
eric - the city politicians did and continue to do so.
TSW - It's the inconsistency, hypocrisy and favoritedness/corruption that stands head and shoulders above other cities.
They cannot define their own codes, which are contradictory and arbitrary. They excuse this as being 'complaint-based' but once you pull a permit EVERYTHING is subject to their whims, unfairly, unevenly and exhorbitantly expensive, time consuming and bordering on the impossible.
Which is why Leonard's discouragement of permit pulling and the 'do it if you dare' quote from the O story is dead on.
Paul, there are a lot of places you can buy food and sit down out of the elements. They're called restaurants. There are generally two or three to a block.
Restuarants are actually the main issue to me. They have to pay higher rent, provide restrooms, and deal with all kinds of requirements that food carts don't have to. If I were a restaurant owner dealing with these extra costs and watched food carts basically building restaurants onto their side without these costs, I'd be pissed. I work near one of the pods in question. Some of these structures are basically awnings, but some are quite elaborate, wired for electricity and so on. The expectation that they'd go without notice was pretty silly.
Blabby, you must be talking about some other downtown, because there certainly any two to three to a block near where I work (the Portland Building) unless you count Subway and McDonald's (back to my previous point). If there were enough (decently priced with decent food) restaurants downtown to service everyone who works here, then why is there so much demand at the carts?
Also, restaurants have servers, bathrooms, etc. These are not anything like that. They're just giving you a table to sit at, out of the rain.
The same, corrupt bu!!$#!+ the rest of us have been putting up with for years from those elected to run this city.
How does it feel?
I really appreciate the fact that the City is treating these people with kid gloves. It would not be difficult for them to just go in and tear down all of the unlicensed structures.
@smirk: Did Leonard actually use the phrase, "propane-tank missiles"? I fucking hope so!
As for Randy, he said something quite close.
Try it and come back to me.
selling food out of your van = foodcart.
building a seating area = restaurant.
if one of those patios collapsed and crushed a bunch of people, foodcarts would not have the insurance to cover it because.......that's right, because they're foodcarts! if you're a foodcart owner, well, it sucks. but it's not bullshit. you can sell food out of a trailer or open a restaurant, but you can't have it both ways
This is quite an outpouring of bile about some unbelievably simple structures, and it would definitely surprise me to learn that food carts carry no insurance - if I owned a commercial lot that rented space to a cart, proof of adequate insurance would be an obvious requirement from any tenants.
Try it and come back to me."
I have, D. But I'm not whingeing about it like it's merely specific to this town. That shit's universal. The missing component to all your troll-ish crap is always specifics. Feel free to share your woeful tale of persecution any time.
My #1 regret of 2010 is that I wasn't riding that route that morning. I would have barreled directly into him and then sued the hell out of KATU. Their lack of journalistic ethics and completely willful ignorance of what is "newsworthy" just disgusts me. I'll stick to KOIN and KGW.
TSW - It's the inconsistency, hypocrisy and favoritedness/corruption that stands head and shoulders above other cities.
They cannot define their own codes, which are contradictory and arbitrary. They excuse this as being 'complaint-based' but once you pull a permit EVERYTHING is subject to their whims, unfairly, unevenly and exhorbitantly expensive, time consuming and bordering on the impossible.
Which is why Leonard's discouragement of permit pulling and the 'do it if you dare' quote from the O story is dead on.
Thanks for reinforceing your own reputation by not answering my question.
Troll outreach terminated.
Restuarants are actually the main issue to me. They have to pay higher rent, provide restrooms, and deal with all kinds of requirements that food carts don't have to. If I were a restaurant owner dealing with these extra costs and watched food carts basically building restaurants onto their side without these costs, I'd be pissed. I work near one of the pods in question. Some of these structures are basically awnings, but some are quite elaborate, wired for electricity and so on. The expectation that they'd go without notice was pretty silly.
Oh, Im sorry. Under an awning on a curb.
* Food carts: serve food from you cart.
* Food carts: don't build extra crap.
I expect a check to my legal consultation fees made out to a one "Sense, Common".
Also, restaurants have servers, bathrooms, etc. These are not anything like that. They're just giving you a table to sit at, out of the rain.