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2014? A non-presidential-election year? I hate to say it, but 2016 would be a better bet.
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You may be right Todd. They are going to be relying on the youth vote certainly.
Of course, they don't like to vote too much.
I'm sorry for those who have waited so long to only have to wait longer.
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What does it cost to put a measure on the ballot? Why not put it on and make the other side spend their money defeating it? Like Bill Sizemore used to do to the labor unions...What am I missing?
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Until something's done about DOMA, Oregon same-sex couples already have as many rights as they can.
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How is Gay Marriage being packaged? If Oregon is still peddling Equality as the basis for Gay marriage rather than Liberty, then they are wise to not put it to the voters.

Other than offending the Black Community, the biggest error which California Gays made ws to push the Equality Agenda. Equality loses voters. Brown v Bd of Education in 1954 based itself on Equality and did a great disservice to the Black community. The decision should have been based on Liberty. "Treating a Black man and a White man differently deprives both men of the constitutional right to Liberty. Thus, segregation is unconstitutional."

Instead the court talked about equality of outcomes, and we are still living with the vestiges of that folly. Voters are correct to reject Equality arguments for any individual.

Gay Marriage like ending DADT is a liberty issue. Each individual person has the inalienable and constitutional right to Liberty. The Constitution was written to secure the Blessings of Liberty. An individual may not be forced into some group, like Gay, Jewish or Black, and then have his individual rights taken away because of that group classification.

Unless Gays adopt the Liberty banner, we will head in the wrong direction once again. My rights as a Gay person are based on my individual right to Liberty, and they do not depend on my belonging to some group. The same is true for all human beings; the individual right to inalienable right to Liberty is at stake.

When I tried to explain this fact to the proponents of Gay Marriage in California, they shut me out -- as if I were Satan at a Revival Meeting.

I urge the gay Leadership to read Lawrence vs. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003) and realize that the right is Liberty and not Equality. If people want to know more about Equality v Liberty, I suggest the re-acquaint themselves with de Tocqueville's Democracy in America.

There is no need for Oregon to repeat California's mistake.
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How is Gay Marriage being packaged? If Oregon is still peddling Equality as the basis for Gay marriage rather than Liberty, then they are wise to not put it to the voters.

Other than offending the Black Community, the biggest error which California Gays made ws to push the Equality Agenda. Equality loses voters. Brown v Bd of Education in 1954 based itself on Equality and did a great disservice to the Black community. The decision should have been based on Liberty. "Treating a Black man and a White man differently deprives both men of the constitutional right to Liberty. Thus, segregation is unconstitutional."

Instead the court talked about equality of outcomes, and we are still living with the vestiges of that folly. Voters are correct to reject Equality arguments for any individual.

Gay Marriage like ending DADT is a liberty issue. Each individual person has the inalienable and constitutional right to Liberty. The Constitution was written to secure the Blessings of Liberty. An individual may not be forced into some group, like Gay, Jewish or Black, and then have his individual rights taken away because of that group classification.

Unless Gays adopt the Liberty banner, we will head in the wrong direction once again. My rights as a Gay person are based on my individual right to Liberty, and they do not depend on my belonging to some group. The same is true for all human beings; the individual right to inalienable right to Liberty is at stake.

When I tried to explain this fact to the proponents of Gay Marriage in California, they shut me out -- as if I were Satan at a Revival Meeting.

I urge the gay Leadership to read Lawrence vs. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003) and realize that the right is Liberty and not Equality. If people want to know more about Equality v Liberty, I suggest the re-acquaint themselves with de Tocqueville's Democracy in America.

There is no need for Oregon to repeat California's mistake.
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@BGJ - BRO thinks this campaign for the ballot measure will cost them $10 million.
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It usually costs about $400,000+ to put a measure on the ballot (depending on the measure).

And as the current measure apparently only has 48% support, the opponents of equality don't need to spend anything to win.

The Sizemore measures start with higher support than 48%, and thus opponents need to spend money to educate the public so the measures go down.

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