I see your argument here. But still, it seems like you ought to just mind your own business and stop telling other people what to do.

NO, wait a minute!

You weren't TELLING this person what to do right to his/her face. You simply wrote a chickenshit rant about it on-line and maybe this person would read it and somehow get the picture?

Jeez, what a horrible guy. HOW DARE HE FEED THE BIRDS? Didn't he see the movie, and realize what monstrous killers they are? They spread disease too.
In fact, we should just lay rat poisen down and kill them all.
The nerve of some people. sheesh.

DamosA, I've read your responses before and I don't get them. Why do you insist on complaining about the format here? It's called "I, Anonymous" for a reason, you dipshit. People post complaints here, get it? If you don't like them, don't read them... and don't complain about them. Don't you have a life? And Frankib, you do know that bird seed attracts rats, right? Are you are bright enough to know that rats spread disease and can cause structural damage to one's house? How would you like to have a rat problem due to your neighbor putting out a food source like bird seed? Is that a neighborly thing to do? I think not. And I love how neither of you addressed the issue of making these birds become dependent on Man for food. Is it right to have an animal become dependent on Man? Well? My neighbor feeds the birds AND composts, both of which caused me to have rats. I have NO food sources on my property, only a detached shed that the rats used as harborage. And they used that harborage because this hippie freak insisted on "feeding the birds, man" and leaving his compost bin unsecured. Am I not justified in being upset at this? What kind of world do you people live in? I hope you both get rats someday and then you'll see how "cool" it is to feed the animals, man.

It does seem a bit neurotic to attract all the birds from miles around with all his bird seed and probably bird housing. I Anon does have a point. There is nothing wrong with some feeding and there are natural ways to do it though. For instance, I have a friend who put out some plants and flowers that humming birds are naturally attracted to as food sources. It took some time but now she gets to enjoy watching humming birds from time to time...

Humming Birds suck (literally). If the Anon has a Bird House, meaning he attracts more than a lot of birds with daily food, might be crazy as well. If you place "flowers that humming birds are naturally attracted to as food sources", MIGHT sound pretty and intelligent, but truth is you're driving them away from their natural habitat while doing them wrong, and they are doing fine without the need of your friend for seeing humming birds on her back yard, front porch, or camera tripod stand. (which can be kind of cool, but just be honest about it). No need for a pedestal excuse. You dont need to place specific flowers (even if it took her some time...) to see humming birds, if the ones you placed are the ones they attract them, it was Gods will and you shouldn't go against Gods will. Jeeezzz people...

Also, pigeons are worst than winged rats, they carry more diseases and are a pain in the ass because they will settle about anywhere till they are kicked out, and the only way of doing it is destroying all its nests and shitholes, and shooting a few of the big ones is part of the process.

Booshamp, you think you might could break up your nonsensical rants and insults next time? I didn't even bother reading all that shit you wrote.

Mimosa, no one asked you to read it... you're here by choice, so what's your point?
I love it... you come here and complain about people coming here to do what the intended purpose is: to write a rant anonymously.
You call people out for doing this? What is wrong with you? You need a girlfriend!

Placing the plants is adding to the habitat not destroying it. It's the same with native plants that help with water overflow. It's a healthy way to enjoy nature. And no one on Earth can know "God's will", ffs...

fffss, pffffsss. wait, you wanna hang out?

And yet here you are complaining about me complaining about other people complaining. So what's YOUR point?

I guess not in your case Jake, but using common sense, the other way thats written down would. First it proves however is selfish and unaware of how nature works, and second it proves however is selfish and unaware of the way nature works. And 3rd its kinda childish doing it like that. Just like the way its written. It gives out complete unawareness of the big picture. Am pretty sure you can understand. I dont have any "proof", but if you're placing consistent and regular food for animals, first you would have to do some research to know if you're doing harm to their environment, or helping. Its not a constant food resource for instance. From there you can extend on.

Doing just that could drive them away far from their own habitat and screw their ecosystem. How, driving them far from their surroundings or usual and natural feeding spots (wherever that may be), leaving far away the smally humming birds, their offsprings unattended, and changing their feeding cycles just by how far they will have to go to feed. I guess if you wanna see humming birds in your backyard, you best do your homework before indulging in your own pleasure. This decade the whole earth has changed, and its either growing more resilient, or getting weaker. And all that. Lots of ecosystems have becomed very weak. Thats why one should do their homework before going on a frivolous and superficial thing like wanting or needing to have humming birds in their backyards or wherever without doing research. They have their own ways. I see humming birds in my yard too. Placing one or two flowers either I guess it wont hurt a bit, but some indicates more than a few.

I guess it could be for good too, but I would check with some humming bird page entusiast, or the county animal protection and care url or something, before planting flowers just for me to see humming birds in my backyard. And on and on...Again, if its done right, it can be a benefactor environment and a cool one to have, and if taken regularly care of. Now if someone wants to say they knew what they were doing, or that they just planted 2 or 3 I could care less cuz is not in my community (...nothing I could do) and all that argument changing bs I know too well.

whoever*** (late night typing...)

Humming birds have more than three hundred species and compose the second largest bird population in America. They live in all environments and do well in large cities. Feeding the hummingbirds within a city is a healthy way to enjoy their presence and learn more about them. It's best to stay away from humming bird feeders because some have harmful dyes but certain plants are ideal.

It is most probably a good thing to offer sustenance to these birds but if you do it- go very small (one or two plants) or very large (a humming bird garden or micro habitat, with nesting areas).

From one perspective, a systems theory approach, it is better to maintain an open system with this type of animal. A closed system would see them as something we shouldn't care for or encourage growth. In an open system we acknowledge their presence, care for them and facilitate their growth.

After all, their natural habitats in and around cities have been crowded with urban landscapes and commercialization. We should see ourselves as earth's caretakers as apposed to destroyers, being synonymous with Native American ideals. In a perfect world we would have a much smaller population of humans and live completely naturally with our environment alas we have to settle for doing what we can...

How you like them apples?

That doesn't mean you or your friend are doing any of that. Besides, theres much more. And your info can be wrong too. So, next bullshiter please.

We do all of it and my father has a hummingbird garden. They like to hang out for several months then take off to Mexico for the winter. I'm certain I have the right information, if you don't believe me try doing some research. For future reference, you might want to keep ur trap shut instead of talking crap about stuff you don't know; it might save you some embarrassment, imho...

I just had a phone conversation with the top member of the Wildlife Environmental Research Preservation and Protection Center of my District, who's specialty is studies and field expertise in ecosystems and the sustainability of birds habitats and behaviors, who is a member of the sports team am in, and a renown expert about hummingbirds worldwide, and read out loud to him what you wrote in your posts, and what he replied to me basically is if you do that, you're basically killing the hummingbirds and their own future wellbeing here on earth, and he also said most of your facts are wrong and certainly made up. See how easy it is?

That's nonsense, if you do ten mins of research you'll see...lying will get you nowhere...You always want the easy way out. Next you'll be threatening to sue me again like last time or pretend like you have some special power and I "won't be here anymore" like you said before. You obviously no nothing about this subject, you might actually learn something by doing some research; it can't hurt anyway...

Here are a few resources to get you started: (btw, this is common knowledge among bird enthusiasts and wildlife experts)
- this one is specific to humming birds and tells about the species, migration, habitat and making your own hummingbird garden http://www.worldofhummingbirds.com/habitat…

Here is a quote from the US fish and wildlife service:

"QUESTIONS ABOUT FEEDING WILD BIRDS

When's the best time to start?

There is no best or worst time. Start whenever you want to. The birds can use your help in the very early spring when their natural seed sources are scarce. In general, whenever the weather is severe, birds will appreciate a reliable supplemental food source.

When's the best time to stop?

If you enjoy feeding birds, there is no reason to stop. You can do it year-round. Feeding the birds throughout the summer will not make them "lazy," or "dependent." If you keep your feeding station clean, there's no reason for you to stop feeding suet, sunflower, millet, fruit and nectar.

Is it best to stop feeding hummingbirds after Labor Day?

There is no evidence that feeding hummingbirds after Labor Day will keep them from migrating. In fact, it may help a weakened straggler refuel for the long haul. Leave your nectar feeders out until the birds stop coming.

Here is the website where I got the quote: http://baltimorebirdclub.org/by/feed.html#…

I hope this has been an informative lesson on many levels. Is there anything else I can help you understand about the subject?

No, that does the work. I did myself a few of copy and pasting from websites too...and I dont know Gods will ("no one can")...hehe. Yeah, you'll no longer be here and all the rest.