Sorry, because this is a post and not a comment, it can't get "likes." But since it's your birthday, I suppose I can spare an "Excelsior!" (I had a few lying around.)
Aww, Damosa, I don't hate you. I often think that you have very good points which you frequently almost make. Sure you could benefit from some research and proofreading (for instance, I'm pretty sure that you'd rather we OWE you than OWN you), but I think your heart is in the right place.
And no, Portlanders don't like to be called racist, you're correct. It's hard for people who think of themselves as liberal but who have very little exposure to people unlike themselves to accept that maybe they are a little prejudiced.
Happy birthday! I hope you can find some validation outside of the Troll Hole.
Thing is.... pretty much all white people are a bit racist, even if they're well meaning and liberal and unwilling to admit to this. As one of them, I can attest to it. When you see a black person at a distance and think "Hey, is that my friend So-and-so?" then immediately have to admonish yourself in your own head for thinking that one black person might resemble another because of that big racist cliche about they all look the same? Yeah, that's a form of racism. It's not hateful (quite the opposite) but it is keeping people of other races, well... OTHER. I never feel bad for mistaking a white person at a distance for a friend, so WTF?
Oh, and I think Paul Mooney might enjoy being called racist by white people. Pretty sure I recall him saying something about we should have to experience racism too...
Change that middle section to "pretty much all people," and I'm a hundred per cent on board.
That's what I was saying: I see it said a lot - "white people/people in Portland don't like being told they're racist." Well, no shit.
It's a shit way to start a discussion, there's pretty much nothing to be said in response to it -since by defending yourself from the accusation, you're "being defensive" and thereby somehow making the accuser's point for them- and last but not least, it might not even be accurate. Do black people enjoy being called bigots? I doubt it.
With all of the bullshit that non-white people (and yeah, it's not about black people, it's about white people organizing our culture into "us, the whiteys" and "everyone else") put up with on a day to day basis, dealing with the slight discomfort of having your secret prejudice called out is really not a big deal. Probably it wouldn't make you so uncomfortable if it weren't true on some level. Why not just agree, since it's true? Then you can have a real conversation about it without just PCing all over yourself every time it comes up.
Oh, and Paul Mooney is black. You should watch some of his stand up. You could learn things and maybe laugh a little. Or just be stodgy and offended. Whatever.
Theodora: I told you, I'm a bachelor! And fabulously wealthy!
FWTBT: and my point was, it's the sort of statement that gets the speaker an unearned air of superiority, nothing else. I'm not sure where I was PC-ing, unless that was somebody else...I'm not offended, I just don't like lazy arguments, I'm actually not stodgy, either...whatever.
Wow, am I the only one who noticed Dr. Minsk drop the N-bomb? Uhhhhhhh... happy birthday, Damos!
Aaaaaanyway, this thread is a great example of this point I keep trying to make, that there are 31 flavors of "racism" developed by the academics to explain ANYTHING that may be responsible for the continued average inequality between blacks and whites in the US. And while this discourse can have some use within the academy, but it's a total fucking lobotomy when it gets out in the wild.
I mean, there are real racists in this country. Plenty of them. Especially in Appalachia and the Ozarks, where the refugees of the Confederate army fled. There are cultures of casual racism which are a real problem in some parts of the country, or in any part when someone from this culture gets a perch, as they tend to do in the police force.
There is a whole lot more race-neuroticism, however. We shouldn't confuse the two. Just because it keeps people of different races "other" to each other, really, it's a whole different beast. Seriously, how can you compare people who used to beat, lynch, rape and exploit other human beings, with feeling guilt over that same history? Calling race-neuroticism racism is a really fucked up thing to do, once you stop taking yourself so damn seriously.
But race-neuroticism is still a problem. It definitely does contribute to disparate outcomes. But the solution is to get the fuck over it, not to go deeper.
And seriously, Paul Mooney is fucking sick. Spiritually sick. He literally looks like he has cancer. Just because he's melanin-enriched doesn't mean he's not a moron. Chapelle isn't that much better. There's a reason he went nuts after all, trying to produce self-hating racist shit for the amusement of suburbanites.
This is not to minimize the problems blacks in america face. But calling everything racist just destroys the ability to think clearly about these issues, and the ability to push for the better schools, social services, and the end of the war on drugs and the prison-industrial complex. Instead we get bogged down into stupid arguments about social minutiae.
@jamdox. tl;dr. don't worry that long about racism. You're missing the point. Just teach your children well, don't tolerate racist shit when you see it, and be kind to everyone you can.
this post is really sad. :( on my birthday the last thing i think about is how many likes my posts on the merc got. (still i went through and disliked every single comment :))
"And seriously, Paul Mooney is fucking sick. Spiritually sick. He literally looks like he has cancer. Just because he's melanin-enriched doesn't mean he's not a moron. Chapelle isn't that much better. There's a reason he went nuts after all, trying to produce self-hating racist shit for the amusement of suburbanites."
Dude, you're full of it! How the fuck is Paul Mooney "sick" in any way?! And Dave Chapelle didn't "go nuts", he simply got sick and tired of all the Hollywood bullshit! The fact that you still play into that false narrative is pretty fucked up on your part! And how the Hell can anyone NOT like Dave Chapelle to begin with?!
" I'm pretty sure that you'd rather we OWE you than OWN you)..."
man, humphrey -- you're hardcore.
give yourself a 3% raise -- tell everybody that i said it's alright.
And no, Portlanders don't like to be called racist, you're correct. It's hard for people who think of themselves as liberal but who have very little exposure to people unlike themselves to accept that maybe they are a little prejudiced.
Happy birthday! I hope you can find some validation outside of the Troll Hole.
they banned a nutjob, not a native american. and this rag isn't racist, it's dumbassist (though not nearly enough.)
Follow up question: do you enjoy being accused of things you aren't actually guilty of?
Oh, and I think Paul Mooney might enjoy being called racist by white people. Pretty sure I recall him saying something about we should have to experience racism too...
You sir or maddam, just might be onto something there!
That's what I was saying: I see it said a lot - "white people/people in Portland don't like being told they're racist." Well, no shit.
It's a shit way to start a discussion, there's pretty much nothing to be said in response to it -since by defending yourself from the accusation, you're "being defensive" and thereby somehow making the accuser's point for them- and last but not least, it might not even be accurate. Do black people enjoy being called bigots? I doubt it.
With all of the bullshit that non-white people (and yeah, it's not about black people, it's about white people organizing our culture into "us, the whiteys" and "everyone else") put up with on a day to day basis, dealing with the slight discomfort of having your secret prejudice called out is really not a big deal. Probably it wouldn't make you so uncomfortable if it weren't true on some level. Why not just agree, since it's true? Then you can have a real conversation about it without just PCing all over yourself every time it comes up.
Oh, and Paul Mooney is black. You should watch some of his stand up. You could learn things and maybe laugh a little. Or just be stodgy and offended. Whatever.
FWTBT: and my point was, it's the sort of statement that gets the speaker an unearned air of superiority, nothing else. I'm not sure where I was PC-ing, unless that was somebody else...I'm not offended, I just don't like lazy arguments, I'm actually not stodgy, either...whatever.
I'm glad at least that most of MY [White] friends are pretty damned cool. I like to think i'm a good judge of character.
Well if the Merc. does that, then that IS bullshit! I don't see that they do, what IF SO...
ghost, :-)
Before Addy Bobkins...
there was Heck Harper...
Birthday Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFQJKLyWktM
HECK HARPER SHOW - featuring Ray Montee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQRWEqBS3kw
Just so you know, not only am i reveling and getting drunk with friends now, i will be attending Krampus Ball tonight, and i will be getting laid.
What will YOU be doing tonight (besides holding your dick in your hand)?
I'll be doing your mom. Don't forget to buy your left hand breakfast......
@Minsk. Shut the fuck up. You don't know what you are talking about. User "multnomahn" was SJR and said in his profile that he wan't native american.
...Hmmm. Wait. Are you BadSteed/SJR/Multnomahn?
The internet is an awesome playground.
Happy Birthday DamosA.
And happy Birthday Damos.
As is the punchline: "So you admit it!"
Aaaaaanyway, this thread is a great example of this point I keep trying to make, that there are 31 flavors of "racism" developed by the academics to explain ANYTHING that may be responsible for the continued average inequality between blacks and whites in the US. And while this discourse can have some use within the academy, but it's a total fucking lobotomy when it gets out in the wild.
I mean, there are real racists in this country. Plenty of them. Especially in Appalachia and the Ozarks, where the refugees of the Confederate army fled. There are cultures of casual racism which are a real problem in some parts of the country, or in any part when someone from this culture gets a perch, as they tend to do in the police force.
There is a whole lot more race-neuroticism, however. We shouldn't confuse the two. Just because it keeps people of different races "other" to each other, really, it's a whole different beast. Seriously, how can you compare people who used to beat, lynch, rape and exploit other human beings, with feeling guilt over that same history? Calling race-neuroticism racism is a really fucked up thing to do, once you stop taking yourself so damn seriously.
But race-neuroticism is still a problem. It definitely does contribute to disparate outcomes. But the solution is to get the fuck over it, not to go deeper.
And seriously, Paul Mooney is fucking sick. Spiritually sick. He literally looks like he has cancer. Just because he's melanin-enriched doesn't mean he's not a moron. Chapelle isn't that much better. There's a reason he went nuts after all, trying to produce self-hating racist shit for the amusement of suburbanites.
This is not to minimize the problems blacks in america face. But calling everything racist just destroys the ability to think clearly about these issues, and the ability to push for the better schools, social services, and the end of the war on drugs and the prison-industrial complex. Instead we get bogged down into stupid arguments about social minutiae.
Dude, you're full of it! How the fuck is Paul Mooney "sick" in any way?! And Dave Chapelle didn't "go nuts", he simply got sick and tired of all the Hollywood bullshit! The fact that you still play into that false narrative is pretty fucked up on your part! And how the Hell can anyone NOT like Dave Chapelle to begin with?!
" I'm pretty sure that you'd rather we OWE you than OWN you)..."
Yes, i caught this. I stand corrected.