Well, I dislike most of my comment getting cut out, including the point I was actually making, but I realize that's how it usually goes. Anyway, it's easy to compile a deceptive, briefly worded list of "accomplishments" at the end of any presidential term. For one thing, many are dead or injured that wouldn't have been if Obama had been willing to make a real break from the Bush doctrine. And regularly we get stories like this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/o…
Same old shit.

I stronly suggest everyone go to the website http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.co… for it is very informative.

As a centrist Democrat (with notable socialist leanings in terms of Health Care and a couple other issues) and Obama supporter, I think one must deal with the political realities of our system of government as well as the political tide of the time.
As much as you can call the Nader voters of the past 'idealistic', the plain simple truth is that had Gore not had to spend the time and money courting the far left, we wouldn't have even had a Bush presidency to begin with.
The left would likely lose Obama for a President Romney if we continue to hear the constant harping of some 'well-meaning' folks from the far left.
Obama is still the man.

@4 Same old politics of fear, using the threat of the far right to win victory for a middle that urgently cries out for systemic change.
Gore never courted the "far left," whatever that term even means in relations to the electoral system in this country (usually nothing). He lost because he had weak messages as a candidate and then didn't fight on the matter of widespread electoral fraud.

With respect to Obama, the fact of the matter is that most Democrats would keep supporting their man in office uncritically no matter what he did during his first term, and they're not willing to do anything whatsoever to push him on issues on which they may think he has taken the wrong stance or not done anything sufficient.

I don't know where you are going with this geyser, but not voting in November is a vote for Mitt. A vote for Mitt ( god forbid) is a vote for Mitt. I know what you are going to say. What difference does it make? Well go ahead and test that theory and see what happens. Because if Mitt wins we might as well stick a fork up our ass and turn ourselves over...we"re done! Period. President Romney? Do you really want to go there!?

Proud Obama Supporter - or POS - could you kindly go fuck yourself please? You're starting to get as pissingly annoying as the Paul-tards.

And WRONG Zeek. Not voting for Obama is not voting for Obama!

And yeah, Obama did appoint the first Latina to the Supreme court - but so goddamned what? She's either the 3rd or 4th ROMAN CATHOLIC on the SC! I'd hardly call that shit "progress"!

And Obama pretty much let us all know what he thinks of Gays when he invited PASTOR RICK WARREN to do his religious inaugural at the White house.

@6 Thanks for proving my point once again (going back to the original I,A thread the "letters to the editor" were quoted from). Romney has no chance of winning OR, but those who are so loyal to your party have to do your duty to use fear of Republican victory to gain unwavering support for Democrats no matter what. If anyone criticizes Obama, even in OR, just trot out the Red Menace to distract from the critique, or mock people who attempt to look at the underlying problems that span Republican and Democratic administrations.
And while this 2+ year-long presidential election sideshow goes on (consisting mainly of daily dissections of electoral minutiae with no direct bearing on the urgent questions that affect people's lives and the global issues that neither candidate can even begin to discuss) the destructive and dysfunctional system continues on largely as it always does. And nearly everyone thinks their political role is just to cast a ballot for the lesser of evils every couple of years, and feel morally superior for being on the right side of moral questions posed within expensive and calculated public relations campaigns, and that's "democratic politics."

@10 So you have a plan to fix our democracy? Or the worlds ill's? Do tell!

@8 Grow up! Telling people to fuck off because they have a different opinion than you is childish at best. Limbaugh would be proud of you.

@11, I have my own ideas about where we should be headed on any number of issues, but I'm not trying to present myself here as someone with a bunch of easy solutions. Recognizing how screwed up things are and that showing up every once in a while to cast a ballot isn't enough are the first steps toward actual change. There isn't some enlightened authority figure who's going to hand us change. The rest of the point I'm trying to make was said better than I could say it, here:
http://www.progressive.org/zinn0509.html
back when Obama had only been in office a short time. I knew as soon as he got elected that it would take a large upswell of popular pressure to get him to actually do anything meaningful, but there's still been far too much complacency.

"@8 Grow up! Telling people to fuck off because they have a different opinion than you is childish at best. Limbaugh would be proud of you."


The person i was responding to came right out the gate slandering anyone who dared questioned the idea of voting for [yet another] war-mongering president as a "DUMB FUCK stoner anarchist". So yeah, i was telling THAT PERSON to go and fuck him/herself and dutifully so! I could care less about someone simply having a "different opinion". People tell me to fuck off all the time just for having a different opinion. Oh, and good job trying to draw some sort of parallel b/t me and Limbaugh. Sounds like a typical blue-dog "liberal" to me.

Perhaps YOU ought to grow up. And learn better reading comprehension.

@15 A blue dog democrat? Hehehe...actually I'm a socialist. But whatever...I don't give a fuck what you think of me either way. Peace out! I done here.

So you claim to be a socialist, yet you support Obama, WHAT?! That's like a vegan who invests in Tyson Foods stock. So you're a very poor socialist then, eh?

@18 Name ten promises Obama has broken and I can name you two hundred that he has kept. I'm serious.

@19 Here's a handy list of the 70+ promises Obama has broken since taking office.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/pr…

Fine Folkie36, NAME your 200! Since you're serious 'n all.

And i just have to say, it's really something how the exact same people who use to NAIL Bush for committing certain crimes are soo goddamned willing to give Obama a pass for doing the same shit. Jesus fuck, you people are as bad as Republicans!

How the fuck can you be fine with a guy who used drone strikes to murder innocent U.S. citizens and their 16 yr old children???

Taking credit for the "death" of bin Laden?

Bragging about taking out Gaddafi?

Shameless defense of Apartheid-state Israel?

Inhumane torture of Pfc. Bradley Manning?

How about the federal raid of a "pot college" in Oakland? Obama LIED and said he would make federal drug-enforcement regarding pot a "low priority", yet this happens... even as a SHOOTING was simultaneously taking place at another college less than two miles away!!!


Oh and btw,

Obama formally came out in support of equal marriage for all, only AFTER his vice Joe Biden pretty-much forced his hand on the Sunday morning news shows. THAT was Obamas' "evolution".

@21 Wow dude, your blood pressure must be through the roof. Take a breath and relax. by the way, here is my list of two hundred promises kept.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/pr…

Yeah, that list contains quite a few items like this:
Make greater investment in advanced military air technology: "We must adapt and make tradeoffs among systems originally designed for the Cold War and those required for current and future challenges. We need greater investment in advanced technology ranging from the revolutionary, like unmanned aerial vehicles and electronic warfare capabilities, to systems like the C-17 cargo and KC-X air refueling aircraft—which may not be glamorous to politicians, but are the backbone of our future ability to extend global power."
I.e., promised efforts to use military means continue violating international law and the sovereignty of other nations, making things worse for everyone, rather than better.
To address another, not officially condoning torture doesn't count as keeping a promise to end it. The Obama administration has done virtually everything it can to keep the torture program developed under Bush protected from accountability.
Don't worry, I'm not going to go through all 200 and try to dispute the ones I think are mistaken. The problems we're facing are not essentially about broken campaign promises anyway, in my opinion.

It matters not. I was simply responding to The Showstopper saying " he is not a man of his word and does not live up to any of his promises ".
The operative word being ANY.

So i guess Folkie36 is perfectly fine with Obama, based on the few promises he DID keep. Because as we all know, requiring economic justification for tax changes and creating a best practices list for private businesses in accommodating workers with disabilities FAAAR out-weighs the murder of innocent civilians by repeated drone strikes!

But no, you're right though. It's nice to know that we'll be giving $30 billion to Apartheid-state Israel over the next ten years, as well as expanding the army and marines.

Oh, by the fucking way...

at least two of those promises have NOT been kept. We STILL have military bases in Iraq and we STILL torture people!

So it looks as though Mohamed Morsi has won the presidential election in Egypt. Which MIGHT be a change for the better in that country, except... Morsi happens to rep. the Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist group formed in Egypt. Morsi's victory is strange b/c the MB hadn't really taken ANY part in Egypt's revolution. They never really backed the pro-democracy/reformist movement there, and only got involved very late in the game (after it was clear that Hosni Mubarak would fall).

Despite the fact that they had previously been banned for the entirety of Mubarak's regime, the MB never took a brave stance in the revolution. Also, they initially BOYCOTTED the elections, then declared that they would not field a candidate. Huh???

The only other guy running was Ahmed Shafik - a former Mubarak lacky boot-licker from the old regime, probably guilty of many crimes.

But alas, that was the choice the Egyptian people had - a religious tyrant or a dictatorial tyrant. NOTHING that rep. the sort of actual change that the people were demanding (and had gotten themselves killed over).

I feel like this is the same sorry-ass "choice" we have here in this messed up country. Our "choice" is b/t a war-mongering, lying corporate zionist and a war-mongering, lying corporate zionist. THAT is our choice.

Morsi apparently won 51.8% of the vote in Egypt - which is just barely and well within the margin of error. I predict that Obama will win by about the same margin - just over 50%. Infact, i'm going to put a number on it right now: 53%. Just enough so that noone can seriously claim he stole it, but far short of a clear mandate.

Same as in Egypt.

Obama and Romney are made of the same stuff. They both equally want to keep the population in fear of terrorists, want to control us and 'protect' us from ourselves.

Fake liberal politicians are worse than real extremist republicans, at least with the extremist republicans you know what you will get, but with a fake liberal politician, it's all up in the air.