Letters Jun 24, 2015 at 4:20 pm

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Thanks Chance Catch, I haven't run into a self righteous vegan (preaching, obvs) in a few days. I was feeling a little off kilter not knowing if there were still people out there so much better than myself. FYI your poo still smells, and your farts are waaaay worse.
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"No appeal to nature can excuse the act of disrespecting another living being"

Because everybody knows that plants aren't, like, alive.

"natural ecosystems should be allowed to take their course until humanity can ethically intervene"

Why is it that natural ecosystems don't involve humans (and other omnivores) doing what comes naturally? That is to say, eating animal matter as well as vegetable matter.
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Let's see here, I guess I'm supposed to learn something about rent control from recently returned Tony - from San Francisco of all places, where rent costs are beyond astounding.
Thanks Tony, yeah, we all must learn a little something from there.
You made a difference man.

Chance, it is a cruel world, whether we like it or not.
All life is based on consumption of some sorts, to include the stars in the universe.
How dare you suggest your own personal beliefs are more enlightened than the natural order of life?
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Yes, another self-righteous vegan espousing their ignorant ideology. The life cycle of all species is devoted to gobbling up the sun's energy in its various incarnations (both plant and animal). You choosing to extricate yourself from a segmented part of the food chain based on your moral reasoning (despite the fact that your are very much an omnivore) does little to alter the symbiotic processes of life. In fact, by eliminating animal domestication you are systematically depleting the world of a key chemical component that sustains all life...and that is nitrogen.

Nitrogen comes from bones, blood and shit, and we need it to grow your groovy soy beans and organic kale. If not from animal sources, do you know where nitrogen comes from? Well, courtesy of the Haber-Bosch process, since the middle of last century, nitrogen for the most part has come from fossil fuels (which are just really old dead animals). Fruits and vegetables cannot grow without it, and when the fossil fuel eventually runs out, we are all screwed. There could never be enough dead livestock in the world to create enough fertilizer to sustain seven billion people.

And speaking of fruits and vegetables (and grains) why would anyone choose to stuff themselves full of indigestible cellulose and phytate-infused, mineral leaching mono crops that have inaccessible nutrients? You want to talk about "chronic health" issues? Well, they don't come from eating a nice grass-fed steak, with its full amino acid profile. It comes from eating "food' like soy, which up until 1913 was listed as an industrial material by the USDA. And let's not even get into the fact that you are selectively choosing plants for their demise, arrogantly insinuating that they are not, in fact, sentient beings.

No one here is supporting factory farming by the way. We are simply talking about what works - self-sustaining perennial polycultures that have shepherded humanity through millennia...before the advent of what is a very destructive, resource intensive, energy loss...and that is agriculture. Nothing, except for the industrial revolution has done more to precipitate global warming, and it's only going to get worse. People cannot live on corn, kale and soy. Corn, kale and soy cannot grow without shit (or fossil fuel created substitutes).

All the species in the world are constantly eating each other as they try to devour the sun's energy; just spend twenty minutes looking in your lawn to witness the struggle. It ain't pretty, it's just part of life and it's what sustains all of us.

Perhaps it's time to come down from your soapbox and read a book?
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It's too perfect, too good of an argument. I'm gonna say Chance Catch is a troll.

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