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The taunting & isolation gets to someone some much that they just want to designate into the void. IT DOES GET BETTER!! Not just for LGBTQ kids, everyone in between, the ones who don't know where they fit in life. You will find something your good at keep pushing....
Keep working @ it you'll get it right ( both savage love issues )
That kid FAILED to listen to his own advice and he let abunch of punkasses get the BETTER of him. It fucking sucks but damn, he made his own choice. Apparently, he didn't care too much about what his suicide would do to his parents. His middle-class life, ALL his friends, the chance to buy the new Lady Gaga album - all that just wasn't good enough i guess.
In the end he just wasn't that strong. Oh well, too bad for him. Too bad for his grieving mom and dad, too.
And who the hell are you to judge so harshly? I doubt you've ever experienced any degree of suffering if you're capable of being that brutally smug.
Try growing a soul.
Frankly, these kids should turn of youtube and enroll in some martial arts. That's what I should've done. Learn to take a punch, learn some assertiveness and nonviolent techniques, and learn to make a go of it if necessary.
Remember, kids, you can MAKE it better, if you'll WORK HARD at it!
We ALL get picked on as kids. Some of us experience pure HELL or worse, as kids. Yet MOST of us make it alright. What a stupid reason to kill yourself over. When he did that, basically what he was saying was: "MOM, DAD, BIG SIS, ALL MY AWESOME FRIENDS - NONE OF YOU PLAY AS BIG A ROLE IN MY LIFE AS A FEW BULLYING ASSHOLES. I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU, OR MYSELF. I'M GOING TO DO WHAT THEY TELL ME B/C THEY CONTROL ME".
What's ironic is that it REALLY FUCKING IS GETTING BETTER!!!!! For LGQTB in general. This kid was gonna be fine. Apparently he had a good set of parents who didn't fuck with him. He had FRIENDS! All he had to do was stick it out just afew more years! He really let alotta folks down, and for what?
You have no idea what was happening with him. You're not entitled to judge him or to blame him for his death. It was the hate that killed him.
And I think what was going on with this doomed young man was a little more than "get(ting)picked on a bit".
Those junior high psychopaths were telling him they wished he would DIE, ffs! And the school was doing NOTHING to protect him. They were doing nothing to stop the hate. He had no safe spaces from it from the moment he arrived at class until he got off the bus and made it inside his home.
You're pissing on this kid's grave. Shame on you. He was the victim, not the villain. Why can you offer nothing but spite and contempt?
It's not as though it's weakness to avoid being a total bastard about this.
Kids that aren't bullied commit suicide because of depression. At 14 kids don't talk to their parents much; and the stuff they do talk about isn't generally about how they feel. At that age I never talked to my Mom; years later I learned how dumb that was but at that time I didn't feel like I could trust her.
Think about that for a bit... how is a kid supposed to trust those who dole out punishment with the most vulnerable things you have; your feelings? The fear that what you are feeling will make people mad and get you in trouble.
Seems like we need to find a way to reach out to kids to get them to open up and share more.
Uhm, nooo. This kid killed himself. And the depression angle - eh, no. Not buying it. "Depression" is mostly a made-up "diagnosis" that's been completely manufactured by psychiatrists and pharma corps. This kid was not depressed. He was impatient. He couldn't wait four years? He couldn't stick it out for just four measily years? Man, high school is training-wheel time! THAT'S when you start to figure your shit out!
Jamey would've been soo much better off, had he made it to his senior year. But he didn't b/c he was weak! Now, these assholes are walking around school and i bet they must be soo pleased with themselves. THEY'RE going to graduate. THEY'RE going to be even bigger assholes by the time they're grown and in college. Jemey forfeited any power HE had, and just gave it to them. Why should i feel sorry for him? Like Amy Winehouse, Curt Kobain, etc. he simply wasn't greatful for how good he had it.
Next time, if you're gonna off yourself, at least have a damned good reason! Being picked on isn't nearly good enough.
It's OK that you don't get it. It's OK that you spout off and trash whatever you want. It's OK that you have the opinion that the kid was "weak", since your opinion is just an opinion. An opinion uninformed by compassion or meaningful experience that might allow you to see him as a human being, despite the fact that you never met him...neither did I, but he represents those who take abuse and don't feel the support that can get them through, and his weakness was being human enough to want to belong, even f it was in the small world of a small town high school. Yes, he took his own life, but that doesn't make it right, even in a Darwinian "the strong survive" sense.
It's all OK Damos. For you. But for me, you're just another trash-talker, and your words are put out there just for yourself.
I'll be watching for your life changing show on Fox.
You've put a lot of energy into trashing the victim here. What, exactly, are you afraid will happen if people DON'T blame Jamey Rodemeyer for his death? Will the entire social order collapse? Will welfare fraud somehow be caused? What? What the hell IS this about for you?
If anything, his action was the ultimate cop-out/guilt trip. And apparently there was no room in his little world for his grieving mother and what his poor excuse for a suicide would do to her. I bet he was thinking: "Those goddamn bullies, i'll show them!" Well, being the little sociopaths they are (and protected by anonymity), i'm pretty sure they haven't lost any sleep over this. That's Hella shitty, it is. But oh well...
Jamey could've fought back, mind yall. He could've done something [else]. From what all i've read, he was never assaulted - just taunts. And i'm pretty sure he was never chased down the street by a mob of violent youth. And i'm sure he was never beaten up by the cops, either. This kid had lots of friends, why didn't THEY stick up for him?! Why are yall shifting blame on the school? Why didn't HIS parents have it out with the bullies' parents? I didn't read where that had taken place either.
Everyone wants to have a pity party over this kid's death NOW, but there's soo many ways this could all have been prevented!
"And the depression angle - eh, no. Not buying it. "Depression" is mostly a made-up "diagnosis" that's been completely manufactured by psychiatrists and pharma corps."
Well the secrets out. The cat is out of the bag. Damos figured it out. At first, I thought "he must be misinformed" because it's wrong to give or deliver false, fake, or misleading information with intent to deceive
Incase you haven't noticed, Pfizer, Merck, etc. have invented a drug for every normal human emotion over the past 20-30 years.
Every soul has a different tipping point. Jamey Rodemeyer's was different than yours. You don't know what he was feeling or what he could have been or should have been capable of enduring. Just stop attacking a dead 14 year-old. We all want to learn how to keep this from happening again. Calling this child "weak" can't possibly work towards that end.
Just give it a rest already. Do the decent thing and don't post in this thread anymore. This isn't something you NEED to "win" on. You've said enough, Damos. Please just stop.
This kid didn't grow up in a ghetto, forced to attend under-funded schools, and having to eat shit for 12 years. What was HIS excuse?
The only person responsible for Jamey's suicide is Jamey. He chose a long term solution to a short term problem. His choice, his bad. The bullies are no more responsible for his death than the homework he didn't finish, or the breakfast he didn't like, or the shoes that fit just a bit too tight. Life is full of disappointment and ugliness: if you let it get you down, then you will be worse for the wear. If you kill yourself, you harm yourself.
I also can't help but notice that the folks who have actually dealt with this kind of shit are asserting Jamey's responsibility, while the "sympathizers" are asserting his victimhood. Now, I don't consider oppression a blank check for superior knowledge at all: it's totally possible to be too close to an issue for clarity, but first-hand experience does carry some weight.
Anyway, at the end of the day we all agree that Jamey made the wrong choice, even if some of us feel it to be more justified than others. We agree it was the wrong choice because it does get better.
@DamosA specifically: Sounds like life was pretty hard when no one stood up for you--how awful. That would make anyone bitter and disheartened. And how amazing that you did SURVIVE! You must have some huge strengths somewhere (even if it sounds like your not entirely sure what those were--the devil?). I can also see how that would make it hard to believe that others couldn't do it do--especially when it seems like they might had it "easier." And at the same time, how people experience life events is always going to be the different (regardless of privilege or event).
Some people have more resiliency than others (just as some people have more organisms, some none). Researchers are trying to study this now--to see if it can be taught/encouraged, but it's difficult to pin point just like emotions themselves.
It sounds like you think depression is "mostly made up" which also suggests that you think sometimes depression can be a legitimate thing. It makes me wonder when it is legitimate? Can it only be when you are poor or the most downtrodden? You make a good point that "mental illness" and diagnosis can be very politically/socially/historically based. (The APA used to think homosexuality was a mental illness). However, you also make it sound as though every drug for mental health is habit forming and prescribed directly by drug manufacturers (not by an individual doctor/psychiatrist/nurse practitioner in response to the concerns of an individual patient). In my own experience I have actually seen people go on antidepressants for relatively brief amounts of time while they build up their "inner psychic strengths" (through therapy and/or other community resources like yoga or church) then titrate off of them with the help of their psychiatrist.
Again, I think it is awesome that you overcame so much to still be around (to the dismay of the poor people you distress with your comments) and at the same time I hope that you can be open to the idea that other people may have the cards stacked against them in other ways that may not be visible on the surface--that it's not really about the outside appearance of the event (object observation) but the internal (individual's) perception of it that determines whether they "fail" (as you put it) or survive (as you appear to have done).