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Re: “"I Will Not Perform in This City"

wow shift shellshock and corin nemec are interesting, now I just aw two one direction videos ad I stopped to log in to tell you that Portland, and I repped neil lomax and tony dorsett earlier for no real reason and also, okay i'll tell you..jewish pajam person..i saw that, and then one hour photo and a landing strip tattoo on that one dude plus the lil blonde also looks like that indian on the mudvayne cover..unless burt mcrackens used used it too?

Posted by danton on 03/11/2014 at 2:36 PM

Re: “"I Will Not Perform in This City"

... "sins of the father ..." @human in training ( in serious need thereof ) do you delight in being disgusting always, siding with the bullshit cops fabricate, suggesting that knowing gang members is same as having gang ties? "I grew up in Northeast, so I can’t say I don’t know gang members." To me "gang ties" should be involvement or relationship, maybe, such as living under same roof, which may have been the case based on link you provided: http://www.fbi.gov/portland/press-releases… Nonetheless, your whining and allusions of plagiarism make you look ridiculous, not thoughtful. For those with time to waste on them, your remark(s): "This is now the second article Mr. Theriault has written that quotes from an Oregonian article in which Mikey Vegaz (Eddie Bynum Jr.) asks if he is assumed to have gang ties simply because he's black and because of where he was born and raised (NE Portland). And it's the second time that Mr. Theriault has chosen not to include the very next line (which is quite a pertinent one) from that original article, in which Vegaz then admits that he does indeed know gang members.

From above: "I'm not a gang member," Vegaz told the Oregonian. "Do I have ties to gangs because I was born and raised in Northeast Portland? Are they saying because I'm black I have gang ties?"

And now the omitted line: "I grew up in Northeast, so I can’t say I don’t know gang members."

Without the inclusion of that last line, us readers are left thinking that he actually doesn't have any gang ties, and that he really does have grounds to be upset about being lumped into such a category, perhaps solely because of his skin color.

Add his admission to having such ties to the fact that he was present when a recording studio was shot up a couple of months ago, and I think we can understand why the police might have an interest in keeping tabs on the guy.

Also, if the individual noted in the following link regarding money laundering for gang members is as related to Mikey Vegaz (Eddie Bynum Jr.) as logic would imply, then this would be yet another legitimate reason the cops tend to like to keep an eye on young Eddie.

http://www.fbi.gov/portland/press-releases… report 8 likes, 11 dislikes like dislike
Posted by human in training on 03/05/2014 at 3:43 PM

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Posted by Charles Johnson on 03/10/2014 at 5:17 PM

Re: “"I Will Not Perform in This City"

"I want to get him and his affiliates out of here."

Why?! Mikey is a good dude trying to elevate himself through music. Take that away from him and what does he have left? If he worked at burger king would the police barge in half way through his shift? This is how he eats, how he feeds his family. Again I ask, take that away and what options is he left with?

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Posted by 503tv on 03/06/2014 at 4:04 PM

Re: “"I Will Not Perform in This City"

Anyone who has a hard time believing that most cops are racist is (a) white, (b) has never tangled with the cops, (c) both. Seriously, that shit is impossible to not notice unless you are white and have never examined the mountain of privilege your vantage point is supported by.

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Posted by happyhedonist on 03/06/2014 at 8:50 AM

Re: “"I Will Not Perform in This City"

@human_in_training: I'm not saying that there aren't corrupt, racist cops. What I'm saying is that I find it extremely hard to believe that MOST of them are, and to such a degree that virtually the entire force is involved in some sort of conspiracy against black people and their "culture", as if there's an unwritten directive to give non-whites more shit than whites doing the same exact thing.

Have we already forgotten Cointelpro? Black history month may have been last month, but let us not forget the systematic abuses of the recent past. I'm not saying it's happening but it MIGHT be and needs to be looked into.

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Posted by landocal on 03/05/2014 at 8:32 PM

Re: “"I Will Not Perform in This City"

@ AMA: Based on that alone? No, of course not. But there appears to be more to the story in Mr. Bynum Jr.'s case.

@mtngoatz: "If the Portland PD "Gang Unit" is meant to combat gangs... why would they support and aggressive show of force that further exacerbates the problem?"

I'm sure (more of) their reasons will be made public once the investigation is completed; but from what we know now, it sounds like the cops got wind of his (Vegaz's) performance, went to check it out (perhaps even with the intent to somehow shut it down if they could), saw that the place was overcrowded and went about trying to right the situation (perhaps happy to have stumbled upon this new 'excuse' for doing what they might've been intending to do all along). Meanwhile, they were getting verbal threats from the crowd and stage and were losing radio contact when down in the basement, so they called for backup.

I'm not saying that there aren't corrupt, racist cops. What I'm saying is that I find it extremely hard to believe that MOST of them are, and to such a degree that virtually the entire force is involved in some sort of conspiracy against black people and their "culture", as if there's an unwritten directive to give non-whites more shit than whites doing the same exact thing.

And I agree with most everything you wrote in your last paragraph, save for the "PPD assumed Vegaz guilty until proven innocent" thing in the middle -- that is yet to be determined -- we're not privy to all of the information that the cops are.

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Posted by human in training on 03/05/2014 at 8:02 PM

Re: “"I Will Not Perform in This City"

The original line (as h.i.t. points out) is: ""I’m not a gang member," Vegaz said. "Do I have ties to gangs because I was born and raised in Northeast Portland? Are they saying because I’m black I have gang ties? I grew up in Northeast, so I can’t say I don’t know gang members. If they were worried about me being in a gang, why would they not support me doing something positive?""

And he makes an EXCELLENT point! If the Portland PD "Gang Unit" is meant to combat gangs... why would they support and aggressive show of force that further exacerbates the problem?

It truly is sad how 'white America' seems entirely incapable of realizing that treating others (women, skin-toned based minorities, immigrants, gays, etc.) as 'others' does NOT help anyone. In this case the PPD assumed Vegaz guilty until proven innocent, and if they did NOT assume that then their actions are just flat-out racist. Period. We don't treat all white, lone-wolf males as terrorists, despite the evidence showing they are the most likely group to commit acts of terrorism, why do we not extend the same courtesy to Blacks?

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Posted by mtngoatz on 03/05/2014 at 4:44 PM

Re: “"I Will Not Perform in This City"

I grew up in NE. I knew gang members. Do I have "gang affiliations" too?

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Posted by AMA on 03/05/2014 at 4:42 PM

Re: “"I Will Not Perform in This City"

This isn't the "targeting of black culture" and/or hip-hop shows; it's the targeting of a single individual. I mean, the cops admit as much, as is noted in the first few paragraphs of this article.

It's a good bet that none of this would've happened if Illmaculate and Luck-One did the show on their own, without including Vegaz (or any other gang affiliate) on the bill.

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Posted by human in training on 03/05/2014 at 4:03 PM

Re: “"I Will Not Perform in This City"

This is now the second article Mr. Theriault has written that quotes from an Oregonian article in which Mikey Vegaz (Eddie Bynum Jr.) asks if he is assumed to have gang ties simply because he's black and because of where he was born and raised (NE Portland). And it's the second time that Mr. Theriault has chosen not to include the very next line (which is quite a pertinent one) from that original article, in which Vegaz then admits that he does indeed know gang members.

From above: "I'm not a gang member," Vegaz told the Oregonian. "Do I have ties to gangs because I was born and raised in Northeast Portland? Are they saying because I'm black I have gang ties?"

And now the omitted line: "I grew up in Northeast, so I can’t say I don’t know gang members."

Without the inclusion of that last line, us readers are left thinking that he actually doesn't have any gang ties, and that he really does have grounds to be upset about being lumped into such a category, perhaps solely because of his skin color.

Add his admission to having such ties to the fact that he was present when a recording studio was shot up a couple of months ago, and I think we can understand why the police might have an interest in keeping tabs on the guy.

Also, if the individual noted in the following link regarding money laundering for gang members is as related to Mikey Vegaz (Eddie Bynum Jr.) as logic would imply, then this would be yet another legitimate reason the cops tend to like to keep an eye on young Eddie.

http://www.fbi.gov/portland/press-releases…

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Posted by human in training on 03/05/2014 at 3:43 PM

Re: “Up & Coming

Hi Robert!

Thanx so much to you & your colleagues @ the Merc for spilling some ink on MMM's behalf this year.

I'm particularly excited about these two quartet evenings presented by Friends of Chamber Music.

Hope to see you soon!

Cheers,

Bob Priest
www.marchmusicmoderne.org

Posted by Bob Priest on 03/05/2014 at 3:25 PM

Re: “Debate Club

rich bachelor's comment has 5 dislikes.

Those are votes for freedom in my opinion because i agree with everything he said.

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Posted by i'mrightyourwrong on 03/03/2014 at 3:12 PM

Re: “Debate Club

A "debate" between two people who hold more or less the same position? Rrrr...
I heard most of the last forty-five of that show from backstage, thought it was boring as hell. It's not like I have no sympathy for prog-rock, either. I just didn't see anything interesting about this particular project.

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Posted by rich bachelor on 03/02/2014 at 3:29 PM

Re: “Debate Club

> I am of the opinion that Foxtrot is a better album than Selling England by the Pound, and you feel differently.

It's when I read this line that I figured out you two were disagreeing mostly for the sake of disagreement. Everyone knows that Selling England by the Pound, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, and A Trick of the Tail were the best Genesis albums. The only debate is the order among the three.

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Posted by The Chert on 02/26/2014 at 6:48 PM

Re: “Debate Club

BTW
"I Know What I Like" fucking rocks still Ned.
It don't have to be overly complex.

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Posted by frankieb on 02/26/2014 at 5:31 PM

Re: “Debate Club

Hey Ned, first off, THANKS, for promoting music that wasn't too popular when I was growing up (punk and new wave was all the rave then) but I still found so much of this music to adore really....
But I certainly fell in love with certain 'prog rock' moments, to be sure.
Don't neglect King Crimsom in your musing, I would humbly offer.
If I have to weigh in, I'm with Dave's point of view moreso than yours, but I think that is merely splitting hairs.
It's funny to think of the times PG was discounted after he made it big on SO. I still think that his song 'BIKO' was the inspiration to that whole 'artists against aparthied' movement, which brought about real change in S. Africa then, politically speaking.
This, to me, represents what a artist can really do at moments, change the world for the better. Very few artists really achieve it, right? Maybe the Errol Morris documentary The Thin Blue Line is another example, but they are few and far between examples...
Thanks Ned.
frank

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Posted by frankieb on 02/26/2014 at 4:43 PM

Re: “Debate Club

"I Know What I Like" was much better live, where it was pretty claer that Peter Gabriel was imitating Peter Cook's E. L. Wisty character.

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Posted by albert on 02/26/2014 at 4:31 PM

Re: “Up & Coming

Morgan Troper may never know the fire he lit in this office with his comments about Everclear.

Posted by Melogna on 02/26/2014 at 12:14 PM

Re: “MusicfestNW: This Year's Model

Lame. Portland continues its death spiral into mediocrity.

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Posted by mckinzjo on 02/25/2014 at 1:11 PM

Re: “MusicfestNW: This Year's Model

Nope, I don't give a shit about early-2000s college rock bands phoning it in for the grown children-of-boomers. Christ, branch out a little, somewhere, anywhere, in the ten years you've been spinning your cultural wheels since losing your virginity to the sound of OK Computer at age 23.5.

MFNW will always be a snoozefest. Now it's just refactored for the boring new generation-- call it a changing of the guard. You old square idiots thought going to see the guy from Animal Collective pass wet farts onto a microphone at Dante's was cool? Well now your little brother can hear him man-queef on the waterfront just like at Coachella 2002. You can tell him all your MFNW "war stories"-- like waiting in line for an IPA and totally making eye contact with Lou Barlow. Wow!!

No big loss, I'll be ignoring / avoiding MFNW per usual. Though I do enjoy seeing all you weekend warriors piss your pants about the format change. That's precious. I suggest you read the writing on the wall and buy a lifetime pass for Edgefield before they run out of shitty microbrews and bro-golf.

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Posted by Chunty McHutchence on 02/24/2014 at 8:51 PM

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