News Jan 27, 2011 at 4:00 am

ACLU Takes on the Federal "No Fly" List in Portland

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So according to the Department of "Justice", this is the so-called complaint process people can go to in order to find out whether & why they're on this brazenly Unconstitutional "No-Fly" list:

You can go to some website called DHS TRIP. The list is NOT on this site.
You can not find out what you want to know on the site, & there's no no# or email or direct way to contact someone.
You can "petition" via the site, & have a letter mailed to you.
The letter tells you that your complaint was received & action has been "taken", whatever the fuck that means.
The letter does NOT tell you whether you've been taken off the list, nor whether you were even on it in the first place.
Basically, the letter doesn't tell you jack shit.
The ONLY way to find out whether you're [still] on the list is to buy another plane ticket.
All that money you've spent on tickets NOT to fly are usually non-refundable, btw, so, there's that racket.

It's like Bizzarro world: up is down, left is right, war is peace. If a govt. were treating it's citizens this way in ANY OTHE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, they'd be declared an out-right dictatorship!

And what makes this big fat joke all the more obscene, is that it's supposedly based on the idea, the myth that 19 Islamic "terrorists" hijacked & crashed planes on IXXI.
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Actually, the secret list is constitutional. It is the use of that list to deny citizens of liberty and property without due process that is unconstitutional... and even that would be constitutional if the airlines were keeping the list and not the government.

DamosA, perhaps you have not visited a real dictatorship, but the USA is nowhere close. I'm not implying that we don't have our own problems, but even stable, relatively agreeable and borderline democratic dictatorships like Egypt have problems that make our political spats seem fairly reasonable. I am not advocating that citizens cease pushing back, but the implication that our government is either perfect or beyond hope of change is nonproductive polarism.
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I'm glad you brought up Egypt, since the U.S. has supported Hosni Mubaraks' dictatorship for 30 years and Egypt is only 2nd to Israel in recieving aid/weaponry from the U.S. in the MiddleEast.
Funny how Obama gave heaped all this praise on Tunisia battle for democracy, yet was dead silent on Egypt.

Fact is, while the U.S. is slipping further towards a truely despotic state, people in Egypt are fighting & dying to get closer towards the sort of "democracy" they think we Americans supposedly enjoy over here.

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