News May 5, 2011 at 4:00 am

Bin Laden's Dead, Obama Wins—What's a GOP to Do?

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"The Republican pundits who credit George W. Bush for bin Laden's death are peddling 100 percent bullshit."

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This is most likely true. However, anyone crediting Barack Obama for bin Laden's death is also peddling 100% bullshit. Anyone who's buying into this bullshit about bin Laden having been "killed" just this past weekend are all dupes! How can anyone fall for this shit, over and over again? It's like this country has experienced some sort of collective mass psychosis and every few months or so, everyone just kinda goes stupid. Typically, this collective insanity manifest whenever the media and everyone else decides that for 3 weeks straight, the foolish antics of one celeberty is worth way more time than every other news item combined.

This collective psychosis also manifests whenever some grand staged event such as a "terrorist" attack occurs.

This bin Laden guy, this EX-CIA opperative, has been turned into this sort of mythical uber/mecha-villian and placed on a pedestol soo goddamned high, you can't even see him! Who the fuck knows WHEN he died or was killed, but it sure as hell wasn't this past weekend. It's likely that bin Laden has been dead for years, actually. Infact, THINK about it - is there even any absolute proof that the guy was even alive as of very day of IXXI? Was he? How do we know?

How do we know he even had jack shit to do with IXXI? All those grainy-ass video tapes (stratigically released at certain times, usually around elections - as if Islamic jihadists were in tune with American politics) of some guy who "looks" like bin Laden and writes with his right hand in one video and his left hand in another, "confessing" (or so the translation says) to the attacks... have all been proven complete fakes.

So in effect, we really don't KNOW what this guy was involved in and to what extent. We know he worked for the CIA in our proxy-war against Russia via Afghanistan through-out the 1980's. Other than that, what the Hell do we know, huh?

Even his apparent "death" is inconclusive. Some special-ops hit team goes in and executes him instead of just capturing him ALIVE (bin Laden was soo ill, so how hard could it have been, right?), dump his body in the ocean (b/c dead men tell no tells, especially when the bodies are gone forever), and the world is shown some photos that are so obviously shopped you'd have to be a retard not to tell otherwise.

Then Obama (who's a lying capitalist war-monger just like the rest of 'em, don't kid yourself) declares that he won't release more graphic photos proving that he's dead (right, b/c they don't fucking exist!), but says that they got some DNA that supposedly "proves" it was him.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh.
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 26% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Thirty-five percent (35%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -9.
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there is a certain amount of hilarity with obama's victory lap in his clown car.. EVERYTHING was bush's fault up to and including sunspots, but not the intelligence line that may have led to obl's body being sensitively cleansed and wrapped, then carefully lowered into the ocean in an o-so-politically-correct way with muslim prayer accompaniment.
how sensitive and tender...almost brings a tear.
"my", "i", "mine"....24 or so mentions of "me" and a couple of bones thrown in for the guys who took REAL risks.
we elected two idiots in a row. sheesh.
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This reminds me of 2 chefs who were tasked with creating a 5-star meal. Chef 1 prepared all of the ingredients, mixed them and added the proper amounts of spices and other condiments. Chef 2 stood by and constantly berated Chef 1 methods and ingredients. After chef 1 completed the entree, chef 2 stepped up and turned on the oven. Who cooked the meal? The one who did all the work, or the one who turned on the oven.
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Boy Paul, you are the poster boy for an angry leftist rant.

Let's be clear: America won.

The only way obama is going to turn his unpopularity around is to assassinate his deficit and incompetent failed policies related to the economy. Like it or not, a dead osama does not put food on the table or gas in your tank.
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If you are going to post four times at least have the decency to use the same name each time. If there really are four of you why don't you meet up in real life for your circle jerk, nobody wants to watch it here.
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Conspiracy theories are running rampant... It's good to consider all angles; most people don't and take what we read, see, or hear at face value. But you also have to use some critical thinking skills here and look beyond your own biases.

Any president who was in office when bin Laden got taken out would be waving the flag of victory. So why wouldn't Bush Jr. have done that if bin Laden was taken out previously? IF they had his corpse on ice and was using him as a boogeyman; wouldn't you have thawed him and waved the victory flag on your way out of office (knowing that the next guy would be able to take credit for it). I could see Jr. saving the glory for another Republican, but not for a Democrat.

We don't have all the facts, and we likely won't. If all the facts come out later it will be too late to care anyways. I think we are so jaded that we can't fathom that what the government tells us just MIGHT be probable.

One of the sticking points in all of this is what they did with the body... yeah they didn't leave room for solid proof that they killed bin Laden. But from a strategic point of view what they say happened makes perfect sense; retrieve the body (in this case taking it to a US ship), ID the body, then dispose of the body in a way that prevents it becoming a rallying point for the Muslim extremists. It seems like the lesser of the evils... some Muslims are upset that bin Laden wasn't buried in soil and could have been buried in soil. OK sure, but even an un-marked grave can be found and dug up... a burial at sea is much cleaner from a strategic standpoint (and lets face it, we really don't care that this terrorist was disposed of in a truly acceptable manner; we dumped him like the garbage he is).

I guess it boils down to do you trust your government, and will you ever? What will it take to earn that trust. We have been fed mis information for years (8 years with Jr. will do that)... are we still now, or are we just not accepting because of habit, hate, bigotry, etc?
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Good essay Paul, thanks for posting.
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The Obama-haters are eating crow with a side of sour grapes, and will do anything to divert attention from the fact that Obama triumphed where Bush failed.
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Let's make one thing very clear, no, a dead Osama does not put food on the table or gas in the tank. But tens of thousands of dead Iraqi's made sure that you will be putting food on Blackwater's table and gas into halliburton's tank for years into the future.
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I have to agree with Kerry's comment particularly the point about his body "being on ice". If the Bush's had killed him why didn't they announce it earlier to save their party from losing the White House in 08? If Obama had already killed him why wouldn't they wait and in October break out the "we killed Bin Laden" angle. The problem is with conspiracy theories relating to this they just don't make sense for a self interested consiprator. Which reminds me, if he "didn't exist" then why kill him at all? You have the best Frankenstein to break out whenever you want to go war, again doesn't make sense for the self interested conspirator to do this. Why wouldn't have Bush "killed him" in 04 to lock the election or in 08 to save his party? Yea the Bin Laden isn't dead doesn't make sense from a lot of angles.
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Excellent article, Paul. I very much enjoyed reading it and if you were with me after I finished reading it, you would have heard me say, “Here, here!”

I’ll preface my comment first by stating that I’m Canadian and therefore not fully immersed in American politics. What I find amusing though in the whole ‘does Bush deserve credit’ debate are those who insist he deserves more credit but also praise him for not attending the memorial at the World Trade Centre with Obama on Thursday. Whether Bush deserves credit or not (I in fact actually agree with you that he does not), Obama has given credit to Bush for his role in the Bin Laden killing. Right or wrong, Obama inviting Bush to attend the WTC on Thursday demonstrates that and also demonstrates professionalism and good taste. Could it have been an astute political move wherein he would have used the opportunity to under-handedly snub Bush by giving him the indirect message of, “I was the one who got Bin Laden and you didn’t”? Sure. We’ll never know what his true intentions were. But, for those conservatives out there, consider this. What do you think the reaction would have been if Obama DIDN’T invite Bush? Those same people who are criticizing Obama for inviting Bush in the first place and praising Bush for not attending, would be the exact same people who would be UP IN ARMS if Obama didn’t invite Bush. A true case of, ‘screwed if you do, screwed if you don’t’, if I ever heard one.

And one other point, if Obama is going to give Bush credit for finding and killing Bin Laden shouldn’t he also give credit to Bill Clinton as well? Let’s not forget that Bin Laden was on the FBI’s most wanted list prior to 9/11 during Clinton’s time in office. It was Clinton who was the first to put together a comprehensive anti-terrorism operation and it was also Clinton who first authorized the CIA to get troops together to kill Bin Laden. In my view, attempts were made by both Clinton and Bush to capture Bin Laden certainly in varying degrees, but at the end of the day, they both failed. There can only be one president at one time and it is that person who takes both credit and in many cases blame for what occurs during their presidency whether they were solely responsible or not. Take a look at the American economy for instance. When Obama took office, the American economy was at the worst it had been since the 1930s. Using the logic of acknowledging the role of past presidents that has come about with this whole Bin Laden situation, then surely Obama should be blaming Bush every chance he gets for the economic woes that the country is currently facing. These US economic problems certainly didn’t happen overnight. Although I’m sure if Obama blamed Bush at every turn and gave him the so-called ‘credit he deserves’ (as I keep reading about he is supposedly owed for Bin Laden’s killing), the American public, primarily the conservatives, would be up in arms.
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"Let's make one thing very clear, no, a dead Osama does not put food on the table or gas in the tank. But tens of thousands of dead Iraqi's made sure that you will be putting food on Blackwater's table and gas into halliburton's tank for years into the future. "

Very well said, Oliver. Well said indeed.
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Add this to a really impressive list of accomplishments on Obama's plate...probably the third best thing he did, after preventing a financial meltdown of our economy with the stimulus plan, and working to pass nationwide health reform.

The other thing this accomplishment has in common with those two things is they will not help Obama win the approval of right-wing FoxNews nutbags. Obama could turn water into gold, and FoxNews would blast him for wasting water. Right wingers are already complaining about they way he killed Bin Laden while giving all the credit to Bush.

In our new political world, facts are less important than opinions. That's why Obama gets zero credit for our economic improvement, but gets blamed for the collapse that happened before he took office. It's why Sarah Palin can talk about how much better she would have done about catching Bin Laden, even tho she can't even win a feud with Katie Couric.

Sometimes I'm amazed the American public was ever smart enough to vote for a Harvard educated public servant to be our president. Although I am always very grateful.
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Just to add in right quick, the pencil rendering of bin Laden is very nice. Very complimentary.
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http://www.collapsenet.com/free-resources/…

by Michael C. Ruppert:

May 5, 2011, 1400 PST, SEBASTOPOL – I have personally interrogated underage criminal suspects who could lie better than White House Press Secretary Jay Carney. It has been four days since the P.T. Barnum (“There’s a sucker born every minute”) proclamation of the death of Osama bin Laden (OBL). President Obama’s account of the firefight has had zero credibility from the outset and it continues to fray and wear thin as each day passes.

First, bin Laden was shooting. Then he wasn’t. Now, no pictures are going to be released. Ridiculous arguments on CNN, by House members stating that releasing photos would inflame and invite retaliation, flatly contradict what I suspect every grunt who ever earned a Combat Infantry Badge would say:

“Release the damn pictures. Give us some to hand out to the “indigs”. We got our man and that’s a message to anyone who would mess with us
Hoo Ah!”

However, as with 9-11, in order to fully appreciate the stupidity of the Obama Administration’s ploy it is only necessary to focus on one glaring inconsistency. With our focus on this inconsistency, demand an answer to it and bring down a house of cards that is already falling. This approach is essentially the same path I have taken with the War Game exercises that were being conducted on September 11th. The issue that follows is to focus on what to do with this inconsistency.

This also raises a fair question: Is 9-11 back on the table for me?

The answer is yes and no. Especially when “no” applies to any expectation that a competent, trustworthy court with jurisdiction would act with a budget and full approval of the U.S. Congress and the American people to actually reveal the truth and take action.

It is yes when, as you will hear below, responsible and credible academics and journalists see the direct connection between September 11,2001 and where we are today
 and where we are headed as a planet.

This is because it is not possible to accurately understand or respond to Collapse without “seeing” all the criminality that led to it. Moreover, it is not possible to effectively deal with Collapse until the criminal behavior has been identified, addressed, and effectively terminated. Otherwise, the human race is left to confront Collapse as it is now; on an ad hoc basis, without any participation of sincere, honest and focused governmental bodies.

There is a massive awakening-taking place globally. However, the difference between this and what could be accomplished if governments were actively and helpfully involved is
 maybe three billion human lives.

Now, back to Osama bin Laden.

Let’s start with what I consider the most-obvious proof that the Obama administration is lying. It comes from a world-class microbiologist who allowed me to use this quote on condition of anonymity. The simple proof of his accuracy is to just ask any microbiologist experienced in DNA sequencing about his statement. There are tens of thousands of them around the world.

Here is what he wrote me:

I am a molecular biologist and I've built a lucrative career in human genetics. I have run one of the world's largest and most productive DNA genotyping facilities and now I am helping to build the global market for clinical whole human genome sequencing for the world's largest human genome sequencing facility. I have worked with the absolute best genome scientists from the military, academia, medicine, and industry from around the world. I know DNA. And, one thing I know about DNA is that you cannot, repeat CANNOT: take a tissue sample from a shot-in-the-noggin-dead-guy in a north central Pakistan special forces op, extract the DNA, prepare the DNA for assay, test the DNA, curate the raw DNA sequence data, assemble the reads or QC the genotype, compare the tested DNA to a reference, and make a positive identity determination
. all in 12 hours- let alone transport the tissue samples all the places they'd need to have gone in order to get this done.

Some might try to argue that ruggedized, field ready kits could test a DNA sample- which is true if one is attempting to determine the CLASS of a bacteria. It is not true if one is trying to determine the specific identity of an individual. Any way you slice it, the real work would require days, and I find it unlikely (although not impossible) that an aircraft carrier would have a laboratory outfitted for this kind of work
 it is not the Starship Enterprise out there.

So, maybe they did get Osama. But there is no fucking way they had any genetic proof of it by the time they dumped the body over the side. What is it that we are not supposed to see with all this distraction? I think the French call it "legerdemain".

The only things necessary to prove or disprove this statement is to question anyone who is an expert on DNA identification.

Two more examples illustrate the lack of credibility enjoyed by the U.S. government. The first is from Tuesday’s (5-3-2011) World News Desk. The second is from today’s (5-5-2011).

Example 1

White House backtracks on how Osama bin Laden died in US raid -- Telegraph

"Claims that the al-Qaeda leader had died while firing an automatic weapon at commandos were withdrawn, with President Barack Obama’s spokesman admitting “he was unarmed”. A dramatic description of bin Laden using his wife as a “human shield” and forcing her to sacrifice her life also proved to be false. The woman was still alive and was taken into custody with several of the terrorist’s children.

In an embarrassing climb-down, Barack Obama’s press secretary, Jay Carney, admitted that the previous version of events — which came mostly from the chief US counter-terrorism adviser, John Brennan — had been put out “with great haste”.

The about-turn left the US open to accusations of a cover-up and led to calls for video footage of the raid in Abbottabad, Pakistan, and images of bin Laden’s body to be released to end conspiracy theories."

Example 2

Even the Pentagon is staying away from the White House circus. Here’s a quote from a DoD publication. The story’s title? “The Bin Laden Information Drought”.

No one is complaining that bin Laden is dead. But every time Washington has to change details about what happened, it damages its credibility on the whole story. And instead of continuing to feed the ravenous reporters clamoring for information, officials are starving them: The Pentagon today cancelled its regular briefing for the second day in a row, even as the White House refers some questions about the bin Laden story to the Defense Department.

Now I am not going to do what we found necessary to do after 9-11, by making a huge (ever-growing) list of the galaxy of inconsistencies available. I am not going to repeat the work of myself and others, like Michel Chossudovsky and Paul Thompson, on the mythological intelligence construct that was the legend of OBL. That is all meticulously documented in “Crossing the Rubicon”.

But as the world continues to ask the obvious questions and the story continues to fray, I note that the indignant refusal by Barack Obama to produce a photo is really setting off alarms. In the past, it was an essential foreign requirement to produce death photos of Josef Goebbels, Herman Goering and Saddam Hussein. No one thought that unseemly. Granted their bodies were all intact, but I should probably note that the credibility of the United States Government was – like the dollar – more intact then.

I saw a “crawl” on CNN stating that George W. Bush declined to appear at Ground Zero with President Obama for a planned extravaganza today. Even W has got enough sense to avoid that black hole. And today we see that apparently the plans for a PR extravaganza were quashed by someone telling the President to “Shut the f*** up” and keep it simple. Obama laid a wreath, shut his mouth and got the Hell out of Dodge.

The more Barack Obama beats the 9-11 drum, the more he is going to invite a bitch slap from people and even governments around the world who understand that the 9-11 story has been a lie since before the attacks occurred.

The following interview, which I gave to a German radio station catering to intellectuals and academics, about a week before the announcement of OBL’s death, is real evidence that much of the world is waiting to pounce on 9-11 anyway, especially as the rubble threatens to bury us.

You see people will accept lies if their lives get better. As their lives get worse, they will inevitably ask questions. And as their lives disintegrate, they will start looking for both answers and suspects. That was and is the swimming pool full of gasoline that Barack Obama is lighting matches in.

If the United States of America does not immediately announce a massive drawdown in Afghanistan, the world will keep asking questions about OBL because our lives will be getting worse, not better, by the day. And every time Mr. Obama opens his mouth about 9-11, he pours more gasoline into the pool and asks for another box of matches.

It was not my choice. Barack Obama has placed 9-11 back on the table again. Mainstream media, of course, can't say Jack Diddly about this theater of the absurd, even though they’ve been cornered into asking a few pseudo-hardball questions. They are, after all, criminally culpable for the endorsement and concealment of something they damn well knew was a lie, murder, and high treason ten years ago.
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Did you know, Black Hawk" is an indian from Minnesota we tortured and murdered! This is really funny! The check's in the mail, Paul. Great job!

And to you doubters, he's "our President" so let's get behind this "story", and humilate and isolate anyone who questions the actions of our government. Don't try to argue the facts, just make them look stupid and crazy, as we always do when it comes to Kevin Barrett and these 'Lone Wolfes'-

"Deathers?" This was started by the mighty Thom Hartmann, the "Kennedy conspiracy" guy- He's good! And see how Paul and the other DemocRat schmucks have picked up on this line- That's why we brought Thom to D.C. and convinced Randi to join rush and the Premier team (with one less tooth). Just like convincing Reve that Toole had murdered Adam, our courageous Seals will never questioned their order to kill..."bin"-

The real problem with the photo is that someone out there may recognize who this stooge really is, and come up with other photos. And we learned from phase I, you can't doctor digital photos as easily as we thought. And if we release a photograph you know the Wolfes (Josh, Richard and Naomi, and the rest of those trouble-makers) will want to see the original digital file from the camera. Can't claim we dropped that into the ocean too, can we? The bottom line is, no one will ever prove Thom, Randi or us wrong, and say for sure this isn't the real bin! "Your President" is telling you the truth, Osama bin Laden is dead, that's for sure- All you need to know is that we promised this "bin" that if he went along with us, and played "bin" for a little while, we'd "take care" of him -- the whole seven virgin thing and more! And you can't say we didn't keep our promise, and look how happy everyone is! Haven't seen this much joy around here since we executed phase I-

As far as are corporate military and our corporate media are concerned, these Seals are heroes. It might be easier for you "conspiracy theorists" to convince Reve Walsh that sexual predator Ottis Toole didn't kill Adam Walsh then it would be to change America's mind. We all need hope, and even if the Hollywood Police conveniently lost the two blood samples from Toole's car (like the way we lost bin's body), which would have proved conclusively whether or not Toole murdered sweet, little Adam, it is always less painful to have someone to hate, or blame. It's the American way!

Just between you and me, why didn't Reve show her six-year-old child exactly where she would be if he needed her, if she really was only a couple isles away as she claims? And if she was so close, then why didn't she hear the boys fighting over the video game, as the security officer claims? Why would she leave a very small boy alone in a public mall, let alone with a couple other older boys that neither Adam or her knew? If you believe Toole's varied confessions, seeking attention from his death bed, then she is admitting, she wandered off shopping her "pretty little heart" off for at least twenty-five minutes or more.

So like America, we gave Reve and John a way to not blame 'the mom' for what we, I mean someone did to him... And now they don't have to wonder forever what really happened... Under our story, Toole never sexually assaulted Adam, and isn't that easier to believe...if you're a parent- Besides, they're both millionaires now with three new beautiful babies to replace Adam, and thanks to them, we've already been able to label a million American men as "registered sex offenders"! And isn't it a little funny how we, thanks to Mark Foley and George W. Bush (talk about a couple of perves), made it so under the Adam Walsh Act Tier 3 is the very worst, and Tier 1 is the least dangerous? Wouldn't you think it would be the other way around? Wouldn't you think this designation is itself misleading, and even dangerous? Although confusing the American public isn't all that difficult. Still can't believe "you's people" elected "Little George"- That's a real hoot!

Whether it's Eric Holder's "Lone Wolfe" clause of the Patriot Act, which allows us to spy on anyone, whether we can prove they are a terrorist or not, or the Adam Walsh Act, which has already destroyed the lives of over a million Americans and their families, it's all part of a bigger plan- Especially now that the marijuana scam has begun to run its course, and the "terrorism" thing is growing old with a lot of you, we always need a few new plans to keep "you's people" distracted and under our thumb...until phase VII.

Seriously, who's really gonna believe Kevin Barrett or any of those conspiracy people?
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Whether or not bin Laden every so-much as existed is somewhat irrelevent. So he's "officially" dead now, but so what? The whole event of IXXI remains unresolved and looks like it will forever. If IXXI were a movie, it would have massive plot holes - whole sections missing and left open-ended.
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There’s a sucker born every minute. First, Bin Laden was shooting. Then he wasn’t. Now, no pictures are going to be released. Ridiculous arguments on CNN, by House members stating that releasing photos would inflame and invite retaliation. No body, no fingerprints, no dental records, no photo evidence of known scars, identifiable scars. NO PROF WHATSOEVER!

Oh, but there's DNA you say? You cannot, repeat CANNOT: take a tissue sample from a shot-in-the-noggin-dead-guy in a north central Pakistan special forces op, extract the DNA, prepare the DNA for assay, test the DNA, curate the raw DNA sequence data, assemble the reads or QC the genotype, compare the tested DNA to a reference, and make a positive identity determination
. all in 12 hours- let alone transport the tissue samples all the places they'd need to have gone in order to get this done.

Even the Pentagon is staying away from the White House circus. Here’s a quote from a DoD publication. The story’s title? “The Bin Laden Information Drought”.

"No one is complaining that bin Laden is dead. But every time Washington has to change details about what happened, it damages its credibility on the whole story. And instead of continuing to feed the ravenous reporters clamoring for information, officials are starving them: The Pentagon today canceled its regular briefing for the second day in a row, even as the White House refers some questions about the bin Laden story to the Defense Department."

People will accept lies if their lives get better. As their lives get worse, they will inevitably ask questions. And as their lives disintegrate, they will start looking for both answers and suspects. That was and is the swimming pool full of gasoline that Barack Obama is lighting matches in.
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Right you are, Spindles. Plus, i may add, a severe lack of critical thinking and questioning on the part of the media as well.

It's sad and pathetic to see, about a week later, that even most of [otherwise] progressive media are STILL peddling this horseshit about Obama having "gotten" bin Laden. Plus, the whole idea of bin Laden being "buried at sea" is so nakedly false, it defies all common sense.

Apparently, it is Islamic custom to bury someone at sea who DIED AT SEA. Obviously, not the cas for bin Laden. And besides, since when did American soldiers give even one shit about respecting Muslim burial customs??? When Hussien's two sons were killed, their mutilated corpses were paraded all over the world for full view! Plus, how many Muslims languished and rotted for DAYS after they were killed in any of our many prisons, secret and otherwise?
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What a wonderful day in the neighborhood. That swimming pool full of gas sounds about right. Look on the bright side, I have food and water, you do not. In short order half of the above people will be looking down the barrel of a fully automatic privatized military weapon, Because you believed one more lie, worry not more are coming. Got a light?

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