News Aug 11, 2011 at 4:00 am

Oregon's Seen a Spike in Recent Crashes—What Went Wrong?

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How about the bikers that don't watch where they are going, or the bikers that run red lights in front of traffic often (i see this SEVERAL times at day at the intersection in front of my apartment), or the bikers that squeeze between cars so they can be in the front at the light not watching to see cars with turn signals on, or the bikers that intentionally ride the center of the traffic lane when they have plenty of room to be along the curb, or the bikers who don't have proper lights/reflectors and are nearly invisible at night, or the drunk bikers who often get hit by cars because they're riding drunk. Let's not lay blame at all on them for the things that happen in traffic. I have had to slam on my brakes more times for an asshole biker than an asshole driver in this city. Some of the bikers in Portland are as much if not more at fault than the roads, bike lanes, or drivers.
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@ #1: Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Agreed on these points, bluesky213, except for "the bikers that squeeze between cars so they can be in the front at the light". This is actually a strategy that many bikers take to avoid NOT being seen by cars. Getting in front of the cars ensures drivers are aware of the bicyclists. Have you seen the big green painted boxes at intersections downtown? This is the same thing, and something a lot of research supports.

And this one: "the bikers that intentionally ride the center of the traffic lane when they have plenty of room to be along the curb". Nine times out of ten this is bikers merging into traffic to turn; the other 1 time out of ten is bikers passing slower bikers or cars. Bikers can be in auto lanes. They're beholden to the same rules of the road that automobiles have. If they merge into a traffic lane (which is obviously dangerous) they usually have a pretty legit reason to be there.

In a far off utopian world wouldn't it be nice if there were simply separate traffic routes? one for motor vehicles and one for bikes/pedestrians?
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@bluesky213, say what you will about cyclist’s improper behavior, the majority of bike/auto related accidents are still the fault of the driver (most commonly right turns without looking). And while there are cyclists that bike drunk, I have yet to hear of a cyclist getting hit as a result (I’m not saying it hasn't happened or that anyone should be cycling drunk, I just have yet to hear of any incidents).

As for the taking a lane, cyclists do that because it's actually far safer than hugging the curb. If you're riding along next to cars you greatly increase your chances of getting doored. It also prevents people from passing to closely. It of course is situational. If there is only one lane, I think most cyclists will at least try to stay over so that cars can get around them easier, but if there are two lanes and traffic isn't that terrible I almost always take a lane for my own safety.

I both bike and drive, and I strongly disagree with your statement about bikes and cars. Yeah, I see cyclists doing dumb stuff all the time, but I have way more problems with other motorists. Neither party is infallible. The other day I watched a car and a bike run a light at the same time. There will always be dumb dangerous cyclists, just like there are a lot of dumb dangerous drivers. If you try to not hold it against cyclists as a group every time one runs a red light, we’ll try not to hold it against you every time someone decides to pass with only two inches. In the end, we’re all just trying to get somewhere (preferably in one piece).
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are we seriously having this exact same argument again? fucking shit.
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Graham loves this stuff!
Well, how many births and deaths have occurred since the last time this came up? Perhaps a whole new readership that is unawares of the 'Bike vs Car' debates that have happened last week.
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Graham is "hiding the truth from these good people"
redundant arguments are his bread and butter.
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I don't think this article was suggesting that auto drivers are entirely at fault. As a matter of fact:
"The trio was not wearing helmets or using lights, which improve safety."
"In April, the city labeled SE Foster as a [sic] dangerous "High-Crash Corridor." Former NFL quarterback Joey Harrington proved the city's designation correct: A driver hit him while he was biking on SE Foster, sending him to the hospital on July 31."

It looks like they point out the faults of the bikers in the article.


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Interesting. I'd wager a guess that motor vehicle traffic also spikes between may and september.
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more people ride bikes when it's not raining
more people drive/bus in the rain
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argument for more advanced cycle tracks on every major street.
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Perhaps if some these cyclist were wearing HELMETS and had reflectors or lights on their bikes, then maybe they'd be alive. As a life long cycling enthusiast nothing infuriates me more than seeing dipstick riding like a jackass in traffic and doing it sans helmets. Back east we call the fools future "coma patients".
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what a worthless article. You're pinning your whole argument on a quote from someone at PBOT, who soimply said that when there are more cyclists on the road more will get hit?

Gimme a break!

Cyclists use arterial streets for the same reasons motorists do, to get somewhere quickly and directly, or to access commercial, employment and other destinations that are either on the arterial streets or require use of the arterial streets for access.

The city has an obligation and responsibility to make ALL public streets, including arterials, safe for cycling, and they have done far too little to educate or reign in motorists, who by and large are responsible for the carnage on our streets.

It's way beyond time to end the hegemony of the private automobile operators.

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Regarding "In a far off utopian world wouldn't it be nice if there were simply separate traffic routes? one for motor vehicles and one for bikes/pedestrians?", benngy97227, if you're going to dream, dream big. Wouldn't it be nice if Americans stopped being such a bunch of doofuses and biked even more than folks in Amsterdam or Denmark? Or, better yet, wouldn't it be nice if there were so few cars that *drivers* were relegated to second-class-citizen status, got (at most) one lane per street, and had to drive at 10 mph, subject to a $5,000 fine for the first violation and 90 days in jail for the second violation? Where parking garages were torn down and the land turned into city parks because there were too few cars for the parking garages to remain economically viable? Where I-5 was used only for freight and folks happily travelled by much better public transportation than we have now? Where the incidence of respiratory illnesses dropped for folks living next to busy streets because their air was no longer being polluted by passing cars? Where the number of pedestrians and bikers hurt by collisions with cars dropped to zero? Where we could stop having this stupid discussion again and again and again because sanity won?
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To answer your questions Scott, NO - it wouldn't be nice.
Your version of sanity is quite insane actually.
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@scott. I bike to Vancouver from Portland every weekend. But I also drive. No, it wouldn't be nice to get 6 mpg and burn 3 times the fossil fuels because I was being forced to drive far slower than the most efficient (and most environmentally friendly) speed. There are countries like that, though. Somalia I'm sure has roads bad enough that force people to 10 mph. Not a model to emulate, I'm thinking.
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Hmmmm, which part is unappealing?
- Saving lives? There's a clear inverse relationship between speed and the likelihood of a pedestrian surviving a car collision. Even at 20 mph, there's a 5% chance that a pedestrian hit by a car will die. At 30 mph, that rises to about 40%, depending on which of two studies you believe (http://humantransport.org/sidewalks/SpeedKills.htm). Is your convenience really more important than the lives of pedestrians?
- Effective punishment? Current punishment clearly doesn't do the trick--a $50 or even $100 speeding ticket isn't sufficient to prevent most drivers from driving 5 mph or more over the speed limit all the time. If you think of that speeding as a possible cause of a pedestrian's death, it becomes negligent homicide and makes a REALLY stiff fine or even the threat of jail time make much more sense.
- Improving the health of people who live near busy streets? I don't have the stats readily at hand, but y'all have seen the studies, too: respiratory illnesses are directly linked to particulates from car exhaust, and the more car exhaust you inhale, the more likely you are to have a respiratory illness. Not rocket science.
- Ridding cities of blights like the average shopping-mall parking lot (can you say stream-destroying storm runoff?) or a parking garage in the center of an otherwise-productive city center? There's a reason cities promote public transit into city centers: office buildings are more productive than parking garages.

Surely there are lots more reasons to follow the lead of northern Europe and make people think about owning cars and driving instead of letting them trash their environment and the lives of their neighbors with little thought to the consequences. Yes, it's draconian in light of current cultural norms, but those cultural norms are so out of whack with reality that it'll take major changes just to reduce the destruction by half.
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"I have had to slam on my brakes more times for an asshole biker than an asshole driver in this city. "

Hooray! Progress!

When the only thing people have to bitch about is how they are inconvenienced by the careless attitude of people on bicycles; instead of complaining about how dead they are due to the careless attitude of people in cars,

the world will have become a much better place.
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The article asked the question, "What causes bicycle crashes?"

If a motor vehicle operator crashes into the back of someone on a bicycle operating within the law. It's clear that the driver ran into the back of another road user. If you hit someone from behind, it's your fault. Despite your mental gymnastics or wingnut philosophical calisthenics It really is that simple.

And....

This is the case regardless of how many times some pothead on a donor cycle runs the stop sign at 25th and Clinton. Or how many times suzy bike messenger squeezes past your car at a stop light, thereby increasing by 2.7 seconds the time it takes you to race to the next stoplight. Even if that happens every day for a year!
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If a helmet has become a factor in keeping a cyclist alive then someone has already fucked up. If it was the cyclist's fault then great, one less idiot to breed. If it was the driver's fault then the piece of plastic on your head means you get to spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair rather than a pine box. Your life is over either way.

The fact that we have all just accepted that there will always be people driving and riding like idiots and we should adjust our headgear accordingly is what I find the most disturbing.
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Being a motorcyclist in Portland for the last twenty years I can certainly sympathize with the plight of non-motorized bikers. Drivers are typically only looking for other cars on the roadway and simply don't process the bike right in front of them.

The biggest killer for motorcycles is the failure to yield. I approach every car turning left in front of me with a real feeling of fear. It's one of the many points in a ride where defensive driving and situational awareness are critically important. Kids die on bikes from stupid bravado, frequently old guys get themselves killed because they no longer have that sharp edge of decisiveness.

I've considered riding a bike more, but I think with my experience on motorcycles I've made a good decision to not do so. It's simply too hazardous to commute for any distance regularly in and around Portland. Name any two spots in Portland more than a couple of miles apart, and I can guarantee that even the best bike route will involve at least some very dangerous exposure.

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