This is not gloating. I truly would wish that everyone who is spouting things about the "crazy, anti-science conspiracy theorists, fear-mongering paranoids who hate the kids and are racists" take a real listen to what we have been saying. This should not be a divisive political issue.
Fluoridation is statistically proven (and admitted in a HKHP debate too btw) to not reduce tooth decay.
There is not and never was a "dental crisis" in Portland. The 2012 SMILE survey that HKHP tried to suppress shows that. Portland's decay rate is better than areas that fluoridate!
The "fluoride" in fluoridation comes from the industrial toxic waste of fertilizer production. It is not any sort of natural "mineral", nor is it the same kind of fluoride used in toothpaste. If it weren't sold to cities for fluoridation it would have to be disposed of as toxic waste!
Fluoride is not required by the body for any reason. It is a cumulative toxin that causes numerous problems with the body. Pro-fluoridationists admit that fluorosis is a disease caused by excessive consumption of fluoride. It causes a disruption in the bone matrix which is visible on the teeth but affects all bones in the body. It disrupts the thyroid, calcifies the pineal gland and is a neurotoxin.
Even if you think it is safe and effective as a dental treatment. Ingesting it is not a proper way to use it! Fluoride is already available as toothpaste and it's used *topically* outside the teeth. You don't eat your toothpaste.
The public water is not an appropriate way to medically treat the entire city without their consent, without a diagnosis, without a means to regulate the "medicine".
And then there's the matter of efficiency. Only about 1% of the water is ingested the rest is used to flush toilets, hose of driveways, showers, etc.
For fuck's sake any way you cut it there's about a 100 reason why fluoridation is totally FUCKED. Yet the Merc did it's best to demonize, discredit and mock people who are trying to stop this insane policy?
People have been duped, or are in the pocket of the extensive forces shoving fluoride on us. I hope everyone will figure it out, not just the 60% majority that voted against it. I think people will more and more.
Rather than have "sour grapes" that you lost what was a little game, be happy that you won't be living in yet another city with toxic waste added to the water. If you really really love fluoride that much you can still get it at the store in a tube of toothpaste. That's your choice. Let people have a choice in the toxic-waste/medicine they ingest.
Portland Mercury has shown itself to be a failure at recognizing the truth, or worse yet just complete sell outs.
And you still don't get it. The arrogance to say "don't fuck this up Portland". It was the Portland Mercury that fucked up.
Look into the facts and use common sense. I don't see how adding industrial toxic waste to the water is a good idea. Or even if you think it's an effective dental treatment, the public water isn't there to mass medicate people.
It was really low to jump on the ad hominem bandwagon that the corporate snakes use to justify their dumping of toxic waste in the water.
"It's never a good idea to take health advice from the same publications that exhort you to make your own porno... " @MediaMonarchy on twitter
I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE
And by that I mean the talking points that a lobbyist got paid to dumb down for me.
Well, I've never heard of an athlete committing any kind of sexual misconduct, so I'm going to have to agree with the first commenter: This woman is full of semen.
Blabby, in my unscientific opinion, fluoridation was a very upper-middle-class and white cause, another one of those "we've got to look out for the poor people!" things that make the privileged feel good about all the favors they've done for the poor Black kids that they're convinced only eat HFCS or whatever. (Never mind that it was the upper middle class whites that kicked the minorities out to east county with development and gentrification, but that's a bit too spiny of an issue to tackle-- especially when a "Dental Health Crisis" had magically appeared overnight!) So I'm sure this was very much the Big Issue for "hot yoga class" attending moms gossiping in line at the Whole Foods checkout.
Now don't get me wrong; the tinfoil hat bad science crowd loved the other side, and maybe that's "wingnut" Portland liberal, sure. But it's not "lives-in-a-$600k-Alameda-home" Portland liberal. (So many different varieties!) We could split hairs further and say that the Hot Yoga Moms would be voting GOP anywhere else, but hey, this is Portland! We're all liberals and we're all really excited about eco-equality and outdoor activities and whatnot. Common ground. At least most of the time.
Somehow the wingnuts found themselves in bed with the curmudgeonly libertarians this time around, adding to the confusion. So yeah. But the "save the children" appeals weren't aimed at them; they were aimed at anyone who's decided that they exist on some sort of figurative perch, high above the unfortunate. This crowd might drive redevelopment, food culture, etc but they're not the majority. They're not really hippies, just like they're not really progressive or really into yoga. They're just good at throwing money and time at pretentious self-serving causes.
I was kind of agnostic on the fluoride issue (I just happen to lean slightly toward the anti side), so I'm not particularly inclined to gloat in the first place. But if y'all want to keep running your mouths about how we're all going to lose our teeth within a year, or how so many of us were duped by junk science, or how many people you thought were intelligent turned batshit crazy over this... I'd be more than happy to start.
Samoan Thor FTW!
David buddy, boy do I have you covered! Not only do I know a woman who likes that, but she is a pharmacist and can get you Thorazine! Win Win bro!
@Stu: If you would have read the article above instead of looking at the pics and seeing the words in your periphery, you would have caught that:
1) It's a new shopping experience for Portland and;
2) Union Way finds it's origins from global precedents.
To use your closing line:
So, yeah, not so "new" really, but new for Portland. Apparently Stu is one of those loathsome people who lives in America but thinks America doesn't exist because he wishes he lived in Europe or Asia or the Middle East...
Nah, because I can only imagine that they'll do just as poorly when they need to refund my $35 a few months down the road.
I made the movie and it's fun to comment on comments, especially when its your movie. To put this in the same sentence as Drugstore and Idaho, 2 films that arguably could/should be on most top lists of all time, is kind of laughable. But I think it holds its own against the 3rd season of Cops pretty well.
Wow, this has to be the most ignorant person written about in this paper since The Great Sunnyside Window Massacre of October 2008
Nothing they produce will be any better than Red vs. Blue.
Yes, I'm willfully ignorant of the vast fluoridation conspiracy.
"B-but! There are CORPORATIONS! That SELL FLUORIDE!!!" Jesus.
Wrong, Spoolo. All the inflammatory remarks came from people who tried to position themselves as the "rational" party. Here's the thing, (expletive here): Is putting fluoride in the water the only solution? No! Is it the best of many other solutions? No! And don't try to pigeon-hole me. Not for a second. Your blind acceptance of the claims made by the ADA and AMA do not impress me. These organizations aren't immune to corruptive influence or being wrong. (And don't try and call me a conspiracy nut either!) Major corporations have enjoyed a long tradition of installing people in high places like the FDA and the EPA, etc. If Monsanto creates it and the FDA approves it, that makes it all right? By your logic, yes. I am not your right-winger, Spoolo. Now come on over for that jab in the eye.
Since when did standing up to Stimplot, their paid lackeys and paid-off politicians equal "defeating the science-oriented middle class that made America great"?
Never mind, I'm sick of humoring the willfully ignorant.
("we know how to read scientific, peer-reviewed primary sources of information as your inferiors") I'm happy you can read. But more relevatnt in this issue, do you also have an idea about the concept of "level of evidence"? e.g. an observational study of a different population, subject to very different exposures (flouride and non-flouride) than are suggested for Portland's water fluoridation, which then reports a lower IQ (a parameter of uncertain validity) or different thyroid function or stained teeth in those exposed to flouride... and the anti-flouride movement LAPS IT UP because it confirms their pre-existing opinion?
The point: it's NOT been a scientific debate in any way-- see the comment from your mixed flavor amigo above and from numerous other merc posts, radio shows, TV interviews, etc over the past 2 weeks.
The vote was an advancement of an emotional anti-authority, anti-government, pro-"purity" argument, and unashamedly so. It's a little too late to suggest science supports your claims of harm of proposed water fluoridation. (Many of your cronies don't care and have said as much.) So with this campaign, you clearly HAVE joined the ranks of the idealogues, and are NO different than the religious right in that way. Welcome to the bliss of ignorance.
I always forget, is it "Long autograph-tail, short dick"? Or vice versa?
screennametaken - we tried. We failed.
Now get up off your ass and do something.
Say what you will about the Arts Tax, at least it was passed by the voters and not decreed by the city council after hush-hush backroom lobbying. (So let's pay it, until it's repealed or declared invalid...it's just cricket.)
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