Screw you, Mercury. Playing the bad guy as a desperate ploy for more readers. Problem is, you might actually influence some otherwise intelligent people to vote the wrong way on this issue, and that is truly some shitty journalism.
I wear proof of the negative effects of fluoride on my teeth: obvious and distinctive discoloring left by the fluoride pills I was given by my teachers in elementary school. But that's the least of it. You've failed to address ANY of the key concerns Portlanders have about fluoridation. How about the fact that the ADA and CDC agree that parents should not use fluoridated water to mix infant formula (so thanks for adding the cost of bottled water to their grocery bill, jerks)? How about the fact that ONE 8 ounce glass of water contains your daily intake of fluoride, and that most adults should be drinking at least 70 ounces of water a day? Or that the maximum amount of fluoride that salmon can stand in our fresh water is .2ppm, and our new fluoridation system will be pumping 1 ppm of fluoride into our rivers and streams? In addition, our pets, of all sizes, drink far more water than we humans do, and are therefore at a greater risk of overexposure to fluoride. Let's not ignore the fact that in the first three months of this year alone 40 cities have rejected or removed fluoridation. Why pay for such expensive infrastructure when our city is so divided? If this measure passes, it will quickly be overturned, and we'll be left with the bill. Better to invest in something like mobile dental stations, that could travel through low-income neighborhoods, passing out fluoride rinse, floss, brushes and paste. That might actually (gasp!) make a real difference.
Seems the pro side's responses to the anti's are always to ridicule, but strangely, almost never rebutt. I think that shows more than anything how both sides make up their mind. They seem to always think the anti side are conspiracy theorists. Whereas the anti side actually seems to understand the arguments on both sides. Labeling as fringe and ridiculing is the lazy way out of having to actually rebutt arguments. For instance, why is an increase in lead levels of children, found in this study in the journal Neurotoxicology, not something I should give a **** about? Can a pro side comment without riducule and with a decent argument? I would honestly love to see it happen.
Ever since that disgruntled ex Mercury employee got hired by City Hall, the City has made the Mercury it's bitch.
With Portland's high suicide rate, we should be adding anti-depressants to our water.
It's well known that the NAZIS forced public water and carried water supplies into battle. That's a FACT.
100% of people who drink water will die, sometimes quickly and sometimes slowly. It can take years of agonizing torture before you're dead but it impacts 100% of us! If that statistic doesn't scare you, you're obviously a paid shill for Aquafina and Dasani just trying to protect their profits. The government gives them this poison at no profit for the citizens! They're just trying to protect their giant public subsidy! End public water now!
Maxim - Water is DEADLY! You're obviously a paid commentator from the commercial water industry trying to poison our minds!
My aunt's cousin's husband had a disease and drinking water seemed to make it GET WORSE! Don't inflict this trauma onto our children. Think of their cute children faces, forced to drink something unpure like water when they could have milk or juice that at natural and have actual benefits!
Kids already get milk and juice at schools but nobody is talking about this. Communities everywhere are rethinking their water programs. End the scourge of public water NOW!
You're absolutely right Christopher, anyone who doesn't agree with us about how harmful water is to children must be an agent provacateur! Great thing to point out, because that makes us sound even more sane! But not too much because that would be deadly.
And Spindles, you're so right why do we even need libraries? Seems like an old fashioned boondoggle - all that expense and no financial benefit at all. And if there's no financial benefit, why have them around? Besides, poor kids can always get books from our exemplary, always well finaanced public school system.
I'd also love to hear your continued thoughts on the horrors of vaccinations and the EXTREME RISK they pose to children! It's just like water - toxic to the core!
"In the NRC 2006 report, Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards, the National Research Council (NRC) reported that "several lines of information indicate an effect of fluoride on thyroid function."
Specifically, the report discussed research showing that:
"fluoride exposure in humans is associated with elevated TSH concentrations, increased goiter prevalence, and altered T4 and T3 concentrations" with "similar effects on T4 and T3…reported in experimental animals."
In addition, the NRC discussed research linking fluoride to impacts on parathyroid activity, impairment of glucose tolerance, and possibly the timing of sexual maturity.
In light of these findings, the NRC panel recommended that the "effects of fluoride on various aspects of endocrine function should be examined further, particularly with respect to a possible role in the development of several diseases or mental states in the United States"
(1.). Despite this, proponents of fluoridation continue to ignore the scientific literature concerning the detrimental effects that fluoride has on the endocrine system." - Mary Shomon, The Daily Activity Every Middle Aged Woman Should Beware of (Aug, 2011).
As far as the cancer risk goes: http://youtu.be/ClqK7XvfLg0 .
Heart risk research from 2012: http://journals.lww.com/nuclearmedicinecom…
Akiniwa, Kenji, Re-Examination of acute toxicity of fluoride, Fluoride, 1997, 30:2, 89-104
"The acute toxic dose of fluoride has been believed to be 2 to 5 mg or 8 mg/kg of body weight. However, acute fluoride poisonings have occurred at doses of 0.1 to 0.8 mgF/kg of body weight in the USA. In Japan, a school-based anticariogenic program is being carried out with fluoride mouth rinses containing 500 to 2000 ppm sodium fluoride on approximately 158,000 persons, consisting mainly of elementary and junior high school children. Thus the safety problem of this treatment attracts much attention. Fluoride retention is said to be around 15 to 30% in fluoride mouth rinsing. In this paper, on the basis of toxic doses estimated in outbreaks of fluoride poisoning, the potential for acute poisoning by fluoride ingested during mouth rinsing is assessed. Acute fluoride poisoning is shown to be caused by exposure to lower doses of fluoride than commonly suggested. The toxic dose of fluoride should therefore be re-examined."
1. National Research Council. 2006. Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards. National Academies Press: Washington, DC.
2.Toxicol Ind Health. 2009 Feb;25(1):49-57. doi: 10.1177/0748233709102720.
Fluoride-induced thyroid dysfunction in rats: roles of dietary protein and calcium level.
Wang H, Yang Z, Zhou B, Gao H, Yan X, Wang J.
Shanxi Key Laboratory of Ecological Animal Science and Environmental Medicine, Shanxi Agricultural University, Taigu, Shanxi, 030801, People's Republic of China.
3.Nuclear Medicine Communications:
January 2012 - Volume 33 - Issue 1 - p 14–20
Association of vascular fluoride uptake with vascular calcification and coronary artery disease
Li, Yuxina; Berenji, Gholam R.a; Shaba, Wisam F.a; Tafti, Bashira; Yevdayev, Ellaa; Dadparvar, Siminb
4. Mary Shomon's quoted text, http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles…
5. Akiniwa, Kenji, Re-Examination of acute toxicity of fluoride, Fluoride, 1997, 30:2, 89-104
This has to be the worst most poorly written article i have ever read. I am an anti-flouridation advocate and not a single one of those arguments i would use to say that flouridation is wrong. You're arguing against false statements to begin-with and trying to belittle the opposing side with your SAT worded comedy. known fact 1. Nazi's were the first to test flouride on humans to see if it would make them more docile because it is the only known mineral known to calcify the pineal gland in your brain known for your sense of awareness. known fact 2. Flouride is a poison, no animal on earth survives after eating enough of it, and it has even been known to melt holes through concrete. fact 3, In the long run flouride has also been known to do more damage than benefit the teeth.
Perhaps The Portland Mercury should stick with the smarmy, self-indulgent pieces they endlessly churn out, instead of propaganda pieces that appear to be spoon fed to them by the pro-fluoride propaganda machines. Municipalities across the country are re-thinking their water fluoridation policies due to health and environmental concerns. Maybe try doing some actual *gasp* research...
Let's face it. All the people voting for it, are the same people who vote YES on everything anyway.
Something in the water in Portland, indeed.
Fluoridated water does not prevent cavities. Clean water does not cause them. Water is not the problem. Well meaning people are mistakenly trying to treat the symptom, not the disease.
This Mercury "article" acknowledges that pro-fluoride tried/is trying to rig the vote, but then endorses it anyway? Why would they need to rig the vote if their information is true and valid? And why is there an ad for "premium whole house fluoride water filter" at the bottom of this page...oh yes because nobody wants to drink this stuff. Fluoridation and covering the reservoirs, letting Nestle build a bottling plants (which they'll succeed in doing if this passes because demand for bottled water will spike), is all leading to the eventual privatization of our water. Go ahead and add coal trains too to add to our toxic load. I sure wish somebody at the Mercury could crawl out of the old paradigm and into the new - drinking fluoridating water really doesn't do much for oral health, it all goes straight down the drain and into the environment with no effect on anybody - just a legal way around pollution laws. It will be a such a sad mistake if it happens.
Congratulations to the "Whole Mercury Team" for using team work in being complete fuck ups. Are you sure not one of you could make the decision to label an obviously op-ed piece as so and then have the sack to sign your (....y'all?) name to it? I'm assuming some of you did get journalism degrees because it's quite clear that chemistry, biology and medicine aren't in the cards, apparently, for any of you. Only Ann Ramono gets a free dress day from the "Whole Team Mercury" bullshit, because she makes me laugh and has ovaries bigger than balls. The rest of you, sack the fuck up. If you're going to write something, put your name on it like a big boy. Beyond that, there's a tremendous amount of reading for you (...y'all? exactly how many are there of you?) to do on this subject.
The city is quoted as saying that they intend to spend upwards of $500,000 to purchase fluorosilicic acid, the chemical used in water fluoridation. They have yet to say where they will be purchasing it from, but most of it comes from China nowadays.
I wonder how much cashola other municipalities across the country pay to fluoridate their water?
And what was that about a $5-7 million dollar treatment facility?
Of course other than that, there's no financial gain to be made. After all, think of the high cost of dental care that that the magical elixir fluoride helps prevent. So what if there's no conclusive evidence that water fluoridation actually does anything to prevent tooth decay?
But at least the phosphate fertilizer industry hasn't had to pay to dispose of their fluoride pollution, classified hazardous waste, in decades.
Peer-reviewed studies have shown that LSD is an effective treatment for illnesses such as alcoholism, PTSD, etc. Many people suffering from such heavily debilitating conditions can't afford to purchase LSD or have difficulty getting access. Some of them end up in critical condition, even to the point of requiring emergency hospital visits and operations. So, in the name of humanitarian intervention and common decency, I propose we put LSD in our public water supply.
Hey Christopher, wake up man! 99.9% of conspiracy theories are pure crap. They are stigmatized by the quality of the people making them and by usual foolish reasoning.
Conspiracy Theories are said to flourish in times of public mistrust...
Which obviously must be the case here for all these folks to think putting fluoride in the water is going to nefariously harm them.
Despite the advice of doctors and dentists.
Dentists putting money into this campaign with no financial gain to be made, and in fact, most likely to lose money eventually through better teeth in the populace.
Well, don't worry anti-fluoride folks - so the AMA and the ADA doesn't support you, you still have Jenny McCarthy on your side.
If we put birth control in the drinking water we would have a lot fewer children with cavities.
Does that mean we should put birth control in the water supply?
Justifying the use of chemicals in our drinking water is FLAWED LOGIC.
We need FEWER additives to our drinking water, not more!
WHY ARE MOST FOOD MARKETED TO CHILDREN LOADED WITH SUGAR & HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP?
WHY NOT FLOURIDATE CHOCOLATE MILK INSTEAD OF OUR TAP WATER?
I am glad I can afford a water filter.....
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