The role of vice is the same as the role of drugs - it is something associated to the gangster lifestyle because it is illegal and not widely socially acceptable. The gangster lifestyle has to do with not following the rules and doing what is seen as easy. Gangsters have a very short term philosophy. It is more important in their mind to have short term pleasure and "respect" than any type of long term plan. They are aware that they may very well end up dead or in prison, but they have been indoctrinated into the lifestyle that it is better than knuckling under to "the man". Making things legal would not change that. And are you suggesting that forcible compulsion of a 15 year old to prostitute herself should be legal?
Basic social lessons don't apply if the perception is that a racist society doesn't reward young black men (or women) for following those rules. Perhaps reality has changed (perhaps not as much as we might wish), but the perception remains among many in the black community because the victim mentality has been passed down generationally, and government programs allow it to continue.
Unlikely that the PPA "blocked" the requirement, more likely that they asked to negotiate for compensation in return for not being allowed to live wherever they wanted, like most members of our society. The city simply didn't think is was a good return on investment in that case.
In time, the Portland mayor befriended Tokyo Gov. Shunichi Suzuki, who told Clark that having police officers live in the communities they served was a prerequisite for community policing. But in Portland, the Portland Police Association blocked such a requirement.
Thanks a lot PPA for sucking so badly yet again!
Look at the Mercury doing a serious piece! Good for you guys.
Race issues in this country are still alive and well, even after the first Black president, as the Trayvon Martin case illustrates. But the elephant in the room is that it is black-on-black violence that is the problem. We may argue about where the line between individual responsibility and societal responsibility should be drawn, but there is definitely a problem. Poor, urban blacks have failed to assimilate in to the larger culture and are stuck in a cycle of poverty and violence. It is unfortunate that his has been going on for decades with no easy solution in sight. Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote a famous report in 1965, tracing some of the causes back to ghetto culture and the absence of the nuclear family. That's still true today and is the reason why the cops are now arresting the children of the people they used to arrest in earlier decades.
The basic social lessons that everyone should learn are: 1) finish high school 2) get a job 3) don't get pregnant until you are married 4) don't do anything illegal. These are lessons that are passed down from our parents and the larger society. Individuals need to follow those basic rules. And society, through its laws and institutions, should help facilitate the following of those rules. Education, employment opportunities, birth control, welfare reform, criminal justice reform, and drug legalization are some of the levers that can be used.
I'm curious what the role of vice is in fuelling gang activity. The article mentions that gangs have moved from drugs to prostitution; would legalizing these remove the gangs' motivation? Or are they just involved in vice because they have an "insider advantage" by already being criminals?
The policemen are doing nice work to stop against the gang.
This problem is never going to get better, unless there is a better alternative.
We could offer better foodstamps, and bigger HDTVs. Throw money like there is tomorrow. Make it rain!
Or we could have better employment opportunities. Jobs that don't make the worker look like a sucker for working for little more than foodstamps. Jobs that allow the workers to drive the nice cars, a decent crib, and money left over to buy bling. Jobs that make the parents look like heroes even though they can't make a jump shot.
The cheapest way is to teach the little delinquents not to victimize poor people, and instead to go for where the real money is. That would inspire action, I betcha.
Good investigative reporting of a troubling problem. Nice work here.
In reply to HonBKind2Self I would say that it is terrible what you have been through. There are many that have experienced the horrors as you have. I am interested in talking to you and finding out more about your understanding of the situations and figuring out what more can be done to stop this from happening to others. contact me at email@example.com Anyone else from a similar background or who wants to be a part of a solution is free to contact me there as well.
They should just lower the age of consent to 14 and make prostitution legal. Problem solved.
Wow. Reading the opinions of ignorant, self-righteous dumb asses has prompted me to add my two cents in.
I am 20 years old. I just recently got away from my pimp, and let me tell you-- I still live in fear every day of my life that he will find me. If you are contesting the fact that there is a very large problem in Portland, then you just have your blinders on. Consider yourself lucky.
The fact is, there are a ridiculous amount of underage ladies being used and abused in the sex industry here in Portland. How do I know??? I was one of them for 4 years. I didn't even go to school in Portland, I went to school in Vancouver. And I happen to know for a fact that out of my graduating class I eventually ran in to 6 other girls besdies my self that had ended up on the streets with a pimp. I happened to meet 3 other ladies from the graduating class below me. And four from the class below that. I am talking about SOPHOMORES now for christ sake. 10th graders. And I'm sure there were more than that, but eventually I stopped being allowed to go to school, so I didn't know the freshman. That's just ONE school we are talking about. If you compare with all the other schools in the area, I'm sure the number will be just the same if not worse.
My life was a horror story for 4 years. But in retrospect the worst moments of all were seeing the innocent faces of girls I used to know, all dolled up and smiling, not knowing what was coming and what was really going to happen to them over time.
As for the comments about stripping-you are correct-there are MANY underage ladies in the clubs around Portland. But that's not quite as common. I happened to be one of them also, but it's actually not that easy unless you have an "in" with the owner of the club.
The number of girls on 82nd is a joke, though. All you need is some one to rent a hotel room, a computer to post and ad on, and a camera for pictures. I can't even begin to tell you how many underage girls are on the INTERNET! Its the best source, take sexy pics, blur the face, and BOOM you have clientele. I was confined to hotel rooms for 4 years of my life, and probably made a good 10,000-15,000 a month. Sometimes more. At 15 years old.
This is no joke. This is not funny. This is not something to sneer at or turn away from. It's happening all around you. The girl sitting on the curb outside of taco bell. The girl at fred meyers buying a large box of condoms. The girl with way too much make up on that your eyebrows arch up at in surprise. If only you really knew. If only.
I see girls in the mall today with their stomachs showing, ass nearly falling out of their jeans, high heels. Age? MAYBE 11 or 12. Maybe. I can never help myself but to walk over and talk to them. I offer to take them to one store and buy them a better, less revealing outfit, if they promise to let me burn the other. I tell them my story and watch as their eyes show a mixture of disgust and shock as their hands fight to cover all their skin. They really have no clue.
It is still an ongoing problem at its 2012
This could be more lengthy by watching and I don't think that most of the viewers have any sorts of interest in these politics views, although this article having some great information which would be more helpful for future regards.
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@RickRay - I wasn't sure if people would actually be interested in the full sheet of scores. But clearly they are! I updated the article with a link to all the lobbyists' scores. Thanks for the note.
So happy you did this! But I think you need to address the amount of power other organizations and lobbyists have in Salem. Several lobbyists failed to be mentioned. City of Portland...Planned Parenthood...these are important people down there. Also, as a recent staffer this session, I was shocked by how much sway the Jeld-Wen folks had!
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And the scores for the Markees are missing. Great article, btw, and a perfect retort to the WW's odd review of legislators by lobbyists.
Hey, where's the link to all the scores?
I'm an older man, and as a migrant I come from a legal tradition where the age of consent always has been 16. When I was younger the unofficial age was 14 (You just DIDN't get busted if she was 14 or older) In that time and place finding a 16 year old virgin was harder than finding proof of alien life. In much of Europe the official age is 14, and whilst I accept that America as a community has decided that to be innapprpriate, in my opinion that's about what it should be. I see most Americans as such prudes!
Tell you what, if it weren't for the fact that I would most likely end up in the slammer, I would feel myself so lucky if I had a 14 + girlfriend, and would treat her like a friggin queen!
I'm sure there is lots of violence and completely horrible stuff going on all over America to do with underage sex but lets face it, at least a proportion of that is due to the ridiculously high age of consent, which forces it all underground, where support sevices are difficult if not impossible to provide.
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