@BokChoy: You seem to think that jail should be a punitivie measure for criminals rather than a chance to rehabilitate the juveniles. Study after study has shown the mass ineffectiveness of this manner of behavioral correction methodology (http://www.wlu.edu/Documents/shepherd/acad…). Look at how we've won the War on Drugs for good examples of incarceration stopping people from committing more crimes. Also, if you'd read the goddamned article, you'd have noticed that juveniles being held in adult jails were being held there BEFORE they'd been convicted of a crime (to quote the article, "pretrial limbo, which can last over a year, the teens are held alongside adults"). So what you're advocating for is that juveniles who have not been convicted of ANY crime be held in adult jails where they're much more likely to be sexually assaulted or commit suicide. In case you're not familiar with it, the Bill of Rights explicitly forbids this sort of thing (Sixth and Eighth amendments).
damosa, you are ignorant. Your contrarian views are childish and incredibly naive.
The young woman in the article was "awaiting trial for stealing a woman's purse after a meth binge and then violating probation." She violated another person's rights and property. She was obviously shown some mercy because she was on probation, she then violated the terms of her probation. Only a dumbass (like yourself) would defend her actions.
Again, boo hoo.
All these murderous pigs costing the city/county millions and here we are in the worst financial shape ever. Nice!
"You chose to commit a crime. You were caught. You went to prison. Did you expect a back rub? You were locked down for 23 hours a day because an extra effort was made to keep you safe. I am hoping that jail was so unpleasant that you don't want to return."
Comments from pissant cowards such as yourself to this article were about as predicable as a 2-day weather forcast.
Criminalizing youth over petty crimes and locking them in adult jails where they're often raped. Good job, Oregon!
Boo hoo! "It was very cold and lonely. I had no hope.".... It's jail.
You chose to commit a crime. You were caught. You went to prison. Did you expect a back rub? You were locked down for 23 hours a day because an extra effort was made to keep you safe. I am hoping that jail was so unpleasant that you don't want to return.
(From back inside the mind of billionaire psychopath J. Edger)
It's just a matter of time until all "you's people", who don't carry our sword or law book, get a chance to sample our excellent jails and prisons.
Did you know, us investors get almost $100 from the feds every day to keep "you's people" locked up in these adult facilities (That's why we wait until after midnight to let you out!)...and there's no profit to be made from keeping these young, future criminals anywhere else, like a "juvenile facility". It's just a matter of time before they become lifers, or that's the plan. In fact did you know that under the current administration we've stepped up the prosecution of whistle blowers, petty criminals, and anyone who can't afford a lawyer. Just this week, the Court gave our expansive California facilities a gratuitous warning that we had two years to reduce the prison population...but that deadline will be extended, I can assure you of that. Anyone who tries to stop us, even a former senator, will face the vengeance of our ruthless persecutors and our growing prison industrial complex... YES WE CAN!
For example, saying that crap about, "Two Americas" is what "really, really, really" doomed John Edwards, and that's why we continue to persecute him or anyone else who challenges us...as if being married to Theresa Edwards wasn't punishment enough- Don't tell the phony-feminists I said this, but that woman was a real tyrant and a major b..ch...but that's politics. We got to defend "our women", so she's an innocent victim of a horrible cheating husband! Let's cut off his favorite parts!
But if you've been paying attention, you may have noticed that's why we had the 'Fox Freaks', 'Derriere and the Disney Dames', and the corporate media pounding "Johnny E" for weeks at the time over his affair, while our own Oregon Governor, "Johnny K", had his own divorce records sealed...and not a word has been spoken around here about what he might be hiding...like a possible affair while he was governor and maybe an illegitimate baby? Can you say, "Two America's"? YES YOU CAN!!!
Speaking of the Patriot Act, we knew we could count on "our" New York Senator Ron Wyden to get Eric Holder's favorite spy tools passed through the Congress. That's why last week we had 'APAC Abe' from the BOO and the other Zionists media network shills playing (non-stop) Corporate Ron's rant from Congress directed at the Petroleum CEOs...to give him a little cred- Of course, we knew ahead of time that nothing would change, so we all had a good laugh about that too- But Chuck and Hillary made sure Ronnie was with us on the John Roberts vote and Medicare Part D, and that's what really counts...when it's all said and done, and phase VIII is completed-
And what's a matter with "you's people", -- you "Deathers" -- not trusting anyone. To quote one of our DC corporate left propagandist (the "Jacker" -- a Kennedy conspiracy nut). It must be because "YOU"can't be trusted! It's kind of funny to hear him say this today, given all that's going on under your runny noses. James Madison once said,"all men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree." What a hoot!
And if you forget to add that second "n", to "Jacker's" last name it's obviously not because you're a bad speller, but because you're an "ANTI-SEMITE!" And don't forget to add the "h" as well, or we'll start calling you a...and get Eric and his trustworthy Department of inJustice after you...just like we're doing to that cheating John Edwards...and just like we took care of that whistle blower, "por Bradley Manning"-
I got to hurry up and catch a flight with Loren and Paul to Taiwan (where there's no age of consent), but there's lots of good news about what's happening with the implementation of phase III and phase IV which I'll share with you next time, but you might want to hurry up and stock up on salt water sea food. And don't be surprised next month when "your President" agrees to the important spending cuts we want, just like he's been doing. You can bet, he will do anything to keep the little lady happy and keep the plastic popping green...so he doesn't "gets" that dreadful message, you know the one, "card declined"!
Don't forget, he voted for giving immunity to the TelComs for spying on you and didn't prosecute the "Shrubs" for authorizing torture or anything else, but "your President" has prosecuted more government whistle blowers than every other president in history, combined! Right on!
eric carlson is an under cover officer and he started an affair with my wife joan wagar!
both eric carlson and joan wagar wanted their spouses dead and they made it known to me when i found their emails on our family computer!
eric carlson was under cover working at east port walmart where my wife joan wagar worked.
eric carlson is almost a twin to me, not exactly but close enough he could act as a photo double, and my wife joan wagar and their co-workers at east port walmart was guarding that secret from me!
i discovered their murder conspiracy through their nick names they got from their co-workers, doubleclick and mrs dash.
after their affair started i became suspicious of joan wagar i suspected she was having an affair with someone.
when your married to someone for almost twenty years you just know that person and when that person changes you can just tell, and i could tell she did not love me anymore and that she was trying to hide that fact.
to make a very very long story short as posible i realized my wife was cheating on me with some dude everyone at east port walmart nick named doubleclick!
i did not know what it stood for until i saw him, i realized what it stood for as soon as i saw him, he was almost a twin to me.
eric carlson is youger than me by several years and his hair is more reddish than blond and a little more slim than me, looking at him reminded me of me but several years younger.
otherwise he was almost a twin to me, from a distance you would swear he was me.
before i saw him my wife came home and she admitted to her daughters that she now has a nick name her co-workers gave her, she said her nick name was dash!
joan wagar had already introduced her daughters to eric carlson and to his nick name so they all were hiding a double of me from me, joan wagar did not care that i overheard that conversation with our daughters because she believed i had no idea what those nick names stood for and she had plenty of people to lie for her.
i suspected i was being poisoned at that time and sure enough i found her hidden poison in a seasoning shaker she hid in the fridge!
i wonder what those nick names stood for and why so so many people were trying to hide what they stood for!
east port walmart employees gave them those nick names and they were hiding the employment of a double of me while he sleeps with my wife!
i wonder what those nick names stood for? not!!!
i was under "investigation" by law officers at the time and eric carlson is one of those under cover officers!
why on earth would authority's use a double of me in their "investigation" and why would they pay him to start an affair with my wife? and why would my wife want to unless she wants me dead?!
there was another under cover officer working at east port walmart and he was sleeping with my wife as well, joan wagar said his first name is shannon, his last name unknown to me.
i was being framed at the time by these under cover officers and they got my wife on their side and my wife recruited our daughters to lie for her after that!
they set the stage to frame me for their crimes and i was surrounded by family members that agreed to lie for my wife and for a double of me!
doubleclick and mrs dash, gee walmart what the hell did those nick names stand for walmart?
when i found proof of their affair through their emails i also found out eric carlson had it out for his wife!
i tried calling eric carlson's wife to warn her and my wife joan wagar poisoned the hell out of me for trying and someone in law enforcement covered it up at the hospital by talking to my doctor out in the hallway, i overheard that conversation!
from that point forward i was so badly poisoned i was stuck at home with no help and in so much pain i could not go anywhere and i could not get help from a hospital!
my life at that point became very close to a movie i saw once called misery!
i say that so people can understand better but it was much much worse than that movie i could hardly talk because i was in so much pain! a debilitating pain!
my family behaved as though nothings wrong my daughter megan was hardly ever home and my daughter kayle just stayed in her room all the time!
no one would speak to me except my wife joan wagar, and she just pretended to be a loving wife in my presence!
it wasn't long after this i found out those "investigators" had the family under video surveillance within our home and that joan wagar would deliberately start up unusual conversations!
i realized we were under video surveillance and audio surveillance and joan wagar would behave as though she was following someone else's instructions!
i found out joan wagar had her sister vickie rosalas and her son jesse rosalas come to our home when i was not there and they installed a hidden camera in our bedroom and it also recorded our voices!
keep in mind they are hiding a double of me at walmart and everyone in the family was trying to hide that from me!
i was so badly poisoned i was stuck at home for months suffering in pain while joan wagar and her lover eric carlson have fun framing me for crimes using eric carlson as a photo double!
no mater where i turned to i could not find help, family members simply pretended nothings wrong and the hospital would not help me at all i would be left sitting in the lobby at the hospital for several hours until i got the hint they did not care!
those "investigators" seen to it i cannot get emergency help from a hospital and family members were giving me a reputation to neighbors and to their frinds so no one would be suspicious of them!
they call it "pedofying" they would "pedofy" me behind my back!
to my face they pretended to be a loving family but behind my back they were calling me a pedophile and that i am under investigation and that they don't want me to know about it!
that is how they turned friends and neighbors and co-workers against me!
i was being poisoned and was so ill i could go no where and my family gave me the reputation as a druggy to explain my bad condition to others!
they destroyed my reputation behind my back by labeling me as a druggy and a pedophile and they pretended i was under investigation and they would tell people not to say anything to me about it!
they gave me a pedo reputation and a druggy reputation!
remember my wife is sleeping with those "investigators" and one of them is almost a double of me and my whole family and walmart employees were trying to hide that from everyone!
eric carlson was dressing up like me, he would hang out by schools and he would stalk children while his buddy's in law enforcement would take back shots and side shots using photogenic so that they could say to others "we caught a pedophile stalking children on photo!" but they did not take frontal photos because eric carlson is not an exact twin to me, but close enough for vague photos he is!
eric carlson and joan wagar recruited walmart employees to lie for them eric carlson dressed as me and he stalked children within clackamas walmart and everyone working softlines in that store backed up false charges on me for what eric carlson did and walmart was hiding eric carlson's employment at the time!
walmart printed out fliers based on what they did so they made it public but they gave me blame!
joan wagar gave eric carlson my bank card and he made purchases in that store that day using my bank card!
i wonder why my wife joan wagar is hiding an affair with a double of me?
i wonder why clackamas walmart publicly labeled me a pedo using fliers while hiding eric carlson's employment!
eric carlson and joan wagar and her sister vickie rosalas and my daughter shawna wagar all worked in that store on march 26th 2007 i wonder how they were able to recruit an entire department of walmart into pressing false charges on me? not!!!!
right after that eric carlson changed his appearance and changed his name to gashel and everyone at walmart was calling him by that new name!
did i forget to mention our daughter megan wagar worked at the sandwich shop within that store?
i caught them admitting to all this on a audio recorder i put in my wife joan wagar's purse!
they were framing me for their crimes and they were going to murder someone and they were going to give me the blame for that and then they were going to kill me off so i could not deny the charges!
in other words their killing people off, they pedofied me publicly so no one would care i am a victim, they were giving me blame for their crimes, and they were going to kill me so i would be stuck with the blame!
now is probably the time to point out that i am not the only victim, i was a regular plasma donor when joan wagar started her affair with eric carlson and i was donating plasma while my wife was poisoning me!
and everyone at east port walmart was calling joan wagar mrs dash while they hid her motive, an affair with an under cover officer that is almost a twin to me!
i wonder what those nick names stood for walmart employees gave them, doubleclick and mrs dash!
i am currently being blackmailed by them they put audio death threats in my home threatening to kill me and my daughter if i don't do what they want!
there not trying to hide it anymore because no one cares the authority's just cover it up and everyone just pretends nothings wrong!
i can see why authority's in portland oregon never stand trial let alone get convicted of anything there is no one to report this to that cares!
eric carlson and joan wagar are caught on video asking joan's daughters megan and kayle to lie for them and then they admitted to them what their framing me for they admited their framing me as a pedophile!
i wonder why they want my daughters to lie for them for? not!!
after i caught eric carlson and joan wagar on video asking joan's daughters to lie for them they poisoned donna minor to death and the hospital labeled it a suicide!
eric carlson and joan wagar and their bro's in law enforcement bragged on a audio death threat right after that and eric carlson's brother was renting the apartment above me at the time!
eric carlson's brother is also in law enforcement!
i am badly crippled from these people and i am unable to get help by calling 911, calling 911 will get cops to my door but it does not get them to give a damn!
i have already tried cooperating with authority's i have surrendered evidence to them and they just smirk about it and they hand the evidence to a family member!
it's their way of admitting they gave my family permission to poison me to death!
lazy321 is right.
The plant takes potassium from the soil where it gets transported to the fruit, we eat the fruit and use the minerals(potassium, magnesium, etc..) but our feces don't return to the soil! We are depleting the soil's, it will get to the point where we will starve to death!
Human feces should be transported back to farm lands where bacteria can recycle the minerals like potassium, magnesium, etc...
Never thought Id say this to a gaay dude...but get it straight.
You are starting to fcuk these guys becauz they are whiny self absorbed emo kids, ok. But when you flip on them its becauz they are str8 doodz...?????
I love h8...as long as you know what you h8 and WHY...you dont.
This is not a prank! If This Hotel was originally the "COLUMBIA HOTEL" circa 1924 ST Helens, Ore. My Grandmother owned this place. I may have photo's to back this up. And yes, there was a horrible death regarding this Hotel if same owned by my Grandmother! Any true history would be greatly appreciated! THIS IS NO JOKE! Any legitimate history would be greatly appreciated! Contact info on true info" Engine13port@yahoo.com
OI!!! you all be on the watchout the GOV. is ganna fuck up!
For all the people saying she has wasted her time discussing where our poop goes post flush and the resulting high level of detail being indicative of her supposedly low level of maturity, get over yourselves.
Here is some advice: thank your parents and not some magical fat man for getting you gifts on Christmas; corn is cheap because the government subsidizes the crop; and poop doesn't just disappear into the other side of the looking glass.
The word 'poop' is looked upon unfavorably and even its mere mention in topics incites giggles and the averting of the eyes. If I showed you how poop could be turned into gold, I bet a lot of you be laying on your backsides at this very moment, frantically digging at your own personal mines. Nope! Poop is dirty and waste by definition. Poop alchemy is relatively unknown to most of us and the process of turning it into gold remains just as elusive as it were to the commoners of yester-year...
It's high time we as Humans removed all the fantasy involving our consumption habits. The public perception of how we receive food is often glamorized ie. is it really just sunshine and a caring heart that brings steak into our homes and available on our menus?
Where does the meat come from? How are the animals raised? How are the farmers able to feed the animals? Does the food chain end when we are done eating the animal?
Thank you Miss Shimer for an informative close-up on something I have personally overlooked (and Mr. Ryan for a snazzy diagram).
Just because it is out of our sight, does not mean it is out of our lives and ironically, even when we turn our noses up to it...
its presence only becomes stronger.
psst. (check out 2+2), Other Other Topics
 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said:  "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters -- yes, even his own life -- he cannot be my disciple.  And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.
 "Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Will he not first sit down and estimate the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it?  For if he lays the foundation and is not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule him,  saying, 'This fellow began to build and was not able to finish.'
 "Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Will he not first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand?  If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace.  In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.
 "Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again?  It is fit neither for the soil nor for the manure pile; it is thrown out.
"He who has ears to hear, let him hear."
I LOVE SALT!!
I have to agree with Matt, people are jealous that he's making money, and he's enjoying doing it. If you have a family to support, you do whatever it takes, LEGALLY, to support them.There are so many more important things in Oregon that people should pay attention to. Leave the farmer alone. Don't be such haters. What happened to being neighborly ? I and many others, I know have enjoyed their show. Peace Out & Stay Happy in Your Hearts!!!!
There are ways to accomplish a kidnapping of this kind (A conscentual one) without arousing suspicions of anyone around. I know, I have done it. The secret is planning on the part of the kidnapper.
For instance, a pair of hand cuffs concealed under a draped coat. Get to the car, and the victim is helped into the back and belted in. If the kidnapper is really smart, he drives the victim to a place where the chances of being seen are slim, where they have a waiting vehicle, and the victim is blind folded before being driven elsewhere. (don't be temped to put the victim in the boot... If you have a smash, it's downright dangerous)
Realism is the key to a successful and amicable kidnapping of this type. The kidnapper says as little as possible, and reamains very cool as they give precise instructions. This is unsettling for the victim, adding to the excitement they obviously want. Of course it's role play acting, and the better you are at it, the better and more realistic it can seem for the willing victim.
As for the guy with the roscoe, what ever that is... You would never know I was kidnapping anyone. So don't sweat it.
Fear of clowns? not exactly. I'm mostly a fearless person. I AM, however, Very cautious of anyone who has masked their identity in some way. There really should be a law in place that states anyone who wears a mask or makeup or clothing to mask their identity should have to wear a large ID badge like a drivers license pinned to their collar or be arrested on the spot.
I not seen such pictures before this. Nice guns also good information.
Cash For Gold Calculation
In my work I have had to deal with many Russian customers, it seems the numbers are growing in Portland for some reason and a good majority are younger. Which is fine, this is a refugee country apparently. However I wish more "mentors" would teach some common manners, I find a good amount of Russian people plain rude and ignorant. If you do not enjoy living in this country and attempting to be a civilized human, go find another country, please! --happydump
LOL! That's one of the most ignorant statements I've read in a while. Way to stop ignorance with insult, assumption, and stereotype. Yeah, that will teach 'em!
The only way to stop ignorance is to teach people by example and you just sound angry and belligerent.
First, you make the assumption that Russians are refuges. Secondly, you say that we are a refuge country, like its a bad thing. Is it such a bad thing if we were a refuge country helping other members of the human race from unjust persecutions? Thirdly there are rude people anywhere you go, any country has their fair share of mean and rude people, and you generalize it to being the Russian people are rude. Fourthly, if you want to claim you are not ignorant, take the time to learn about the people and the culture about which you speak.
I have grown in "liberal" society and I don't really understand why would anyone want to be introduced to it. If you want to go to nightclubs and have sex then do but don't encourage others to do things they may not be ready to or will regret later on. And one more thing, if these were "non-white" this kind of cultural interference would be considered insensitive and even racist. Maybe its YOU who should be more openminded and not just them.
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