You absolutely show that you read into my comments what you wanted to read.
1. I never said they CAN'T stand up for themselves. I am saying you can't expect them to. Somebody who is scared and doubts whether they are even right about being harassed is very unlikely to make a scene. You know why women doubt whether they're being harassed? Because people like you tell them "Oh, but it was probably just by accident." It hardly ever is. And you tell women they can't reclaim their personal space with their elbows, but damn we should stand up for ourselves. You're a joke! You know why were terrified to make a scene, even in public? Because if the guy gets mad enough he'll follow us and wait for a better chance to attack us. When women complain about sexual harassment they're often written off as hysteric and overreacting. Because men don't take harassment seriously. Even those that don't actively engage in it. But men aren't the problem.
2. I NEVER asked for men to intervene by using violence. I never would. But if you see your friend annoying a woman don't just fucking stand there until she breaks out in tears. Tell him to cut it the fuck out. Make sure your male friends know that behavior like that is immoral and gross. That's all I want. No need to swoop in and save anybody by beating somebody up. The fact that that is the only thing you can think of as intervention says a lot about you. And helping somebody out who is in some sort of trouble is just plain manners.
3. DON'T EVER TRY TO FUCKING BLAME VICTIMS OF HARASSEMENT FOR BEING HARASSED BY SAYING THEIR BEHAVIOR COULD BE SEEN AS FLIRTATIOUS! If you talk to a stranger in public and they tell you to fuck off or ignore you, then get lost!!! Don't tell women they can't do those things, tell men they need to get a clue. If a woman plays some mind game while flirting it's her loss. If somebody makes it clear they don't want to talk to you, then you leave them alone.
If you've got so much feminism in your cock you should know that when the issue is something you most likely haven't expierenced and will not expierence first hand you sit the fuck down and listen to people who are actually affected by it. The fact that you apparently assume you're an expert on how to deal with sexual harassment and still go for the victim blaming is the last straw for me. I'm unsubscribing from this. Hope you have a good nap.
I wrote that this article is not aimed at men who realise that street harassment is wrong and act like it. Which OBVIOUSLY doesn't include you. Otherwise you wouldn't be this bothered. NO, not all men are the problem. But most men are. Because most men, like you, refuse their responsibility as a part of society that makes light of rape-culture and street-harassment. Their responsibility to stand against behavior like this and call it out when it happens. And yes, that is everybodys responsibility. Except for the victims of street harassment, since you can't expect somebody who already feels threatened to stand up to the person threatening them. From where did the question migrate and to where? Tell me what I am being elusive about. I don't mean to be, although I might have gotten off track.
Also please note that I clearly told you that unless you do harass somebody in the street, that you're not personally responsible for it. But if you let people around you harass without intervening that's like letting your friend drive drunk and when they have an accident saying "Well, nothing anybody could've done about that!"
So just because they haven't come up to you and told you they harass women means you don't know them or means they don't do it? And you say I am contradicting myself? If a person you know robs a bank, you know a bank robber, whether he tells you about it or not. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge that you DO know harassers is why you're the problem. The fact that you think you have no influence on whether people you know do this is why you're the problem. Of course you're not personally responsible for somebody yelling at women in the street. But if you would assertively assume the stance that street harassment is a problem, disgusting and wrong it might make somebody reconsider. But you would never do that. would you? Because you have nothing whatsoever to do with street harassment. You wouldn't intervene when somebody did it in front of you, because you're not responsible for it, right? Yeah, how could anybody think you're part of the problem. So confusing. Just because you don't actively participate in a harmful activity doesn't mean you're disconnected from it.
Jamdox: nice edit! Realised you should've read the whole thing, huh? What you quoted originally "What men need is a wake-up call: You're the problem. If not you personally, then your best friend, a coworker, or that dude in your fantasy football league is."
Jamdox: Yes EXACTLY. You may not be the problem, but the number of men that harass women means it's statistically unlikely that you don't personally know somebody who is the problem. And it's only fair to make men aware that their friends, co-workers, family are potentially assholes. Because guess what, all women are aware of it, ALL THE TIME! If you don't understand what you're talking about then don't.
STOP! Guys, stop with all this "it's just a few guys doing stuff like this!" crap. If it's just a few assholes then why does EVERY woman/girl above the age of 12 that I know have stories like this? If this were only a few guys this would be rare. IT'S NOT!!! If you don't do shit like this then this is not directed at you. So why get mad?
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