I still don't understand how this is going to be fair for all the business owners involved.
Like, what if a person gets points every time they go to business A, and then finally, when they save enough, they go to business B to redeem them. Business A gets all the sales, and business B loses money providing the prize, right?
I really cannot wait to see how this all turns out. My favorite way to use my points would be to use them for parking machines around town. You are going to make that happen, right? Go Supportland!!!
There is a "fixed" universe of points. Businesses have a bank of points that grows or shrinks depending on the promo being employed .
A business either sends points away via a Point Incentive (e.g Spend $5 and get 50 Supportland points!) or attracts them with a Reward Incentive (e.g. redeem 50 Supportland points and get a free latte!).
If a business empties its point bank via a Point Incentive, it needs to attract points back with a Reward Incentive or it won't be able to tap into Supportland customer base (i.e. you can't give away points you don't have).
I imagine businesses will either toggle back and forth between the incentive types or always have a mix of both. In any case, most businesses will not want to send Supportland customers away because they have no points to give unless they are done with the program or just aren't actively using it.
You are correct that a reward incentive will have a real cost to a business (e.g. free coffee! isn't free for the business). But every business is already doing this in some way on their own - punch cards, coupons, sales, etc.
By balancing point and reward incentives and defining them in any way they like at any time (i.e. the business can choose how valuable an incentive is (that free coffee could cost you 5, 10, 50, 100 points anything...), the individual business can manage its direct cost related to doing these campaigns against the value of enhancing its own customer loyalty and attracting new customers who participate in the program.
By its very nature the program is designed to identify and empower consumers and businesses that are part of the "buy local" economy, the value of those new customers attracted via Supportland will be much higher in my mind than what we would attract with a sale or coupon that is put out there with less "targeting".
Thanks, that clears some things up for me. It's a little complicated, and a lot of times customers don't like complicated, but it sounds like they don't really need to understand it to reap the benefits, and that's all that really matters.
There have been several other projects in town that have tried to network locally owned businesses with one another through discounts and stuff (choose local/map clicks, navigate portland, and there's another new one coming out soon that I forget the name of), and they've all offered the same thing, but in my opinion, failed to deliver. They cost the businesses a couple hundred bucks to join, and then fail to drive new sales, so the business owner is out a couple hundred bucks, and often stuck just discounting sales they would have had anyway (at full price).
The option to earn points and use them anywhere is a good model to get people to try out new places, (strengthening the network, and letting local businesses support one another) and it goes a step further than the other programs have.
Thanks, that clears some things up for me. It's a little complicated, and a lot of times customers don't like complicated, but it sounds like they don't really need to understand it to reap the benefits, and that's all that really matters.
There have been several other projects in town that have tried to network locally owned businesses with one another through discounts and stuff (choose local/map clicks, navigate portland, and there's another new one coming out soon that I forget the name of), and they've all offered the same thing, but in my opinion, failed to deliver. They cost the businesses a couple hundred bucks to join, and then fail to drive new sales, so the business owner is out a couple hundred bucks, and often stuck just discounting sales they would have had anyway (at full price).
The option to earn points and use them anywhere is a good model to get people to try out new places, (strengthening the network, and letting local businesses support one another) and it goes a step further than the other programs have.
@Jeff - I think there definitely is a bit of a learning curve on the business side of things but on the customer side it will be clean and simple.
At the same time, the iphone and web apps for managing the account - as well as twitter info and such from Supportland- will give those customers who really want to geek-out on it the chance to do so.
I am wondering what is so "not local" about Starbucks? Just because they are big and successful doesn't mean they aren't local Starbucks was incorporated under the laws of the State of Washington, in Olympia, Washington, on November 4, 1985. The example of 15th Avenue Coffee and Tea in Seattle—one of a number of Starbucks-deceptively-not-called-Starbucks—might be an example of misleading marketing. What's that got to do with local?
@mic: Hi! As the maker of the comment about Starbucks, I wanted to throw two cents down. The comment about Starbucks comes from an article by Stacey Mitchell (http://bit.ly/axnrXM): "Starbucks, a company that has spent untold millions developing one of the most recognizable brands on the planet, is now beginning to un-brand some of its outlets." It's not questioning the local-ness of Starbucks, but an understanding that huge corporations are trying to re-brand themselves to appear more local. This strategy seems strikingly different that the strong brand identity campaigns run in the past.
While this is an interesting idea - it seems a bit cumbersome and potentially confusing, but this could clear up with use - I find some of the come on a bit threatening and somewhat extortionistic:
"Even in Portland, after months of hosting Supportland seminars in pointedly local cafés, Scotto di Carlo reported her surprise at how many places she'd always assumed were local turned out to be faux local. Supportland is one way to vet the places you patronize without having to do anything more than whip out your card and ask if they'll take it. If they don't, maybe you should ask why."
The inference here is that, as a business, if you don't participate in this program, the customer should be questioning whether or not you're a "bad guy," as in large corporation. I own Kenny and Zuke's, and this is the first I'm hearing of this program. We haven't been approached about it, and if we eventually are (I imagine this post might facilitate that!), I might not decide to participate. Yet we're 100% locally owned and buy as much of our raw ingredients locally as possible. If we don't buy into this, is the inference then that we're one of the bad guys, or that our customers "should ask why?"
Maybe we prefer to just run our own promotions, and not kick back some of the proceeds to this outside company.
There have been plenty of similar programs promising to help local, small, independent, etc... business (which sounds great!), but what customers don't understand is that these programs aren't created to do any of those things. They're created to siphon money off of local business' bottom lines, and into the pockets of the creators.
I'm fine with paying a group like Supportland some money if their service is mutually beneficial and helps drive enough new customers to my business to justify the costs, but one thing a lot of people don't seem to realize is that for the most part, these programs only appeal to people that are already choosing local businesses in the first place.
As an example, I tried "choose local" one year. It cost me about $500, and I got a sticker for my window and a sign for my counter advertising that we participate. In that year, I never had any new customer come in that said they found my business through the program (and I'd know, because they'd pull the card out and use it in that case), and I never had a customer that chose my business over another because of it. What I DID have happen was that I ended up giving a lot of discounts to people who came to my counter expecting to pay full price. Eventually I just took down the advertisements. So who did the program benefit? The company that runs it made $500, some customers that I would have had anyway saved a few bucks, and I lost out both times.
Like I said before, I really like the concept of supportland, and I'm pulling for it to be a success. It would be great if the program worked like it was designed to, and helped not only the creators of the program and the customers that used it, but also the businesses that it's supposedly designed to support. I think supportland is structured in an interesting way, and offers more than previous programs have, even if it is a little bit cumbersome.
The bottom line though is that if it costs me more to participate than it makes me in additional sales, it's not supporting local business...
@ At chefken: The intention of the suggestion to ask why was indeed to encourage people to find out whether, when they think they are choosing local, they really are.
But also, as a consumer I'm super excited about the Supportland launch, since I (think I) shop local most of the time, and am therefore anticipating racking up a boatload of points without having to change my existing habits. I want to maximize those benefits by making sure all the businesses I make purchases from are at least aware of the program, especially the ones I go to all the time. That in itself is going to motivate me to make a habit of asking. If the bar/market/shop on my corner participates, I'll collect more points on a regular basis. If they don't because they're not eligible, that's a lot different than not participating because they don't think it's worth their while (which isn't likely to change the frequency of my visits). I think it's good to know either way.
I should clarify that it's not AS likely to change the frequency of my visits. If I can get the equivalent product or service at two equally convenient places, I'm probably going to go for the one with the point incentive.
It sounds like you both feel like you've been burned before on programs to help local businesses. While I'm convinced we're a different animal than those other attempts, it sounds like it'd be best for you to just observe how Supportland works for a while before participating. Every piece of the system has built in metrics for the business owners so you immediately see the ROI and know whether the program is working for you.
Just want to throw out that we LOVE collaborators - the only reason Supportland looks like it does today is through the input of business owners, bloggers, friends, and merrymakers - so if you'd like to chat over coffee sometime we're all ears. (I really, really hope you take me up on that)
It first read, this sounds great, but there are some things not addressed in the article (nor yet in the comments). Aren't there any old-school paranoid Oregon hippies out there any more? Oh wait, that's me. I don't have ANY points cards, because I don't want my buying habits profiled by some suit, and more importantly, I don't want my buying habits held in a database that could at some point be sold or subpoenaed. So why hasn't anyone asked what Supportland is going to do with your info?
I also wonder about what makes something local. It is second nature to patronize the mom and pop convenience store instead of the Walgreens next door, but the crap I buy in either place still has lots of travel miles on it. I'd like to know where I can go to get "super-local".
Supportland has a hardcore privacy policy where we legally bind ourselves to protect any information we gather. The only information shared is anonymous and it's only shared with locally-owned businesses on the network. We really just want to level the playing field with big business.
As for subpoenaing, I hadn't thought of that. I'm curious if we can address that in our bylaws or the legal framework that we're building to protect consumer privacy. Thanks for bringing it up - it seems like the sortof thing that would best be addressed proactively.
Oh, and we follow the Sustainable Business Network of Portland for our definition of locally-owned. Whether or not a "super-local" type rating system or something comes forth in the future depends on consumer demand. I've heard from a few folks that they'd appreciate some sortof system. Totally email us if you'd be interested in chatting over coffee cause we're just in St Johns and love hearing from folks.
As far as businesses go, how would points be allocated to businesses with multiple locations? Would each location have to register & pay separately, or would the same number of points be allocated to a small business as would be to a larger one? Thanks for this info on this--sounds great so far!
Multiple location can be handled couple of ways. A location can be added to a business account (venue) and that location would share points/and incentives with all other locations. You can also setup multiple venues with full subscriptions each of which would have their own points/rewards to distribute. Hope that answers it!
We can apply the faux-local label to the carpetbagging pseudo intelligent "I am LOCAL",I just moved here,this is my town,phony non-natives who gots such wonderful bright ideas about how to change this town for the better "I am a Mountain"of non talent,non original non sense.We are all transit.Stop this stupid local crap.All you "I'm Local" should never ever travel......hypocrits.Your only LOCAL when your buried,unless your coffin slips into the river on to the next town.
Like, what if a person gets points every time they go to business A, and then finally, when they save enough, they go to business B to redeem them. Business A gets all the sales, and business B loses money providing the prize, right?
Who reimburses business B?
There is a "fixed" universe of points. Businesses have a bank of points that grows or shrinks depending on the promo being employed .
A business either sends points away via a Point Incentive (e.g Spend $5 and get 50 Supportland points!) or attracts them with a Reward Incentive (e.g. redeem 50 Supportland points and get a free latte!).
If a business empties its point bank via a Point Incentive, it needs to attract points back with a Reward Incentive or it won't be able to tap into Supportland customer base (i.e. you can't give away points you don't have).
I imagine businesses will either toggle back and forth between the incentive types or always have a mix of both. In any case, most businesses will not want to send Supportland customers away because they have no points to give unless they are done with the program or just aren't actively using it.
You are correct that a reward incentive will have a real cost to a business (e.g. free coffee! isn't free for the business). But every business is already doing this in some way on their own - punch cards, coupons, sales, etc.
By balancing point and reward incentives and defining them in any way they like at any time (i.e. the business can choose how valuable an incentive is (that free coffee could cost you 5, 10, 50, 100 points anything...), the individual business can manage its direct cost related to doing these campaigns against the value of enhancing its own customer loyalty and attracting new customers who participate in the program.
By its very nature the program is designed to identify and empower consumers and businesses that are part of the "buy local" economy, the value of those new customers attracted via Supportland will be much higher in my mind than what we would attract with a sale or coupon that is put out there with less "targeting".
Thanks Tony! Great description.
Thanks Jeff, we get this question from time to time.
Thanks, that clears some things up for me. It's a little complicated, and a lot of times customers don't like complicated, but it sounds like they don't really need to understand it to reap the benefits, and that's all that really matters.
There have been several other projects in town that have tried to network locally owned businesses with one another through discounts and stuff (choose local/map clicks, navigate portland, and there's another new one coming out soon that I forget the name of), and they've all offered the same thing, but in my opinion, failed to deliver. They cost the businesses a couple hundred bucks to join, and then fail to drive new sales, so the business owner is out a couple hundred bucks, and often stuck just discounting sales they would have had anyway (at full price).
The option to earn points and use them anywhere is a good model to get people to try out new places, (strengthening the network, and letting local businesses support one another) and it goes a step further than the other programs have.
I really hope it catches on!
Thanks, that clears some things up for me. It's a little complicated, and a lot of times customers don't like complicated, but it sounds like they don't really need to understand it to reap the benefits, and that's all that really matters.
There have been several other projects in town that have tried to network locally owned businesses with one another through discounts and stuff (choose local/map clicks, navigate portland, and there's another new one coming out soon that I forget the name of), and they've all offered the same thing, but in my opinion, failed to deliver. They cost the businesses a couple hundred bucks to join, and then fail to drive new sales, so the business owner is out a couple hundred bucks, and often stuck just discounting sales they would have had anyway (at full price).
The option to earn points and use them anywhere is a good model to get people to try out new places, (strengthening the network, and letting local businesses support one another) and it goes a step further than the other programs have.
I really hope it catches on!
At the same time, the iphone and web apps for managing the account - as well as twitter info and such from Supportland- will give those customers who really want to geek-out on it the chance to do so.
"Even in Portland, after months of hosting Supportland seminars in pointedly local cafés, Scotto di Carlo reported her surprise at how many places she'd always assumed were local turned out to be faux local. Supportland is one way to vet the places you patronize without having to do anything more than whip out your card and ask if they'll take it. If they don't, maybe you should ask why."
The inference here is that, as a business, if you don't participate in this program, the customer should be questioning whether or not you're a "bad guy," as in large corporation. I own Kenny and Zuke's, and this is the first I'm hearing of this program. We haven't been approached about it, and if we eventually are (I imagine this post might facilitate that!), I might not decide to participate. Yet we're 100% locally owned and buy as much of our raw ingredients locally as possible. If we don't buy into this, is the inference then that we're one of the bad guys, or that our customers "should ask why?"
Maybe we prefer to just run our own promotions, and not kick back some of the proceeds to this outside company.
There have been plenty of similar programs promising to help local, small, independent, etc... business (which sounds great!), but what customers don't understand is that these programs aren't created to do any of those things. They're created to siphon money off of local business' bottom lines, and into the pockets of the creators.
I'm fine with paying a group like Supportland some money if their service is mutually beneficial and helps drive enough new customers to my business to justify the costs, but one thing a lot of people don't seem to realize is that for the most part, these programs only appeal to people that are already choosing local businesses in the first place.
As an example, I tried "choose local" one year. It cost me about $500, and I got a sticker for my window and a sign for my counter advertising that we participate. In that year, I never had any new customer come in that said they found my business through the program (and I'd know, because they'd pull the card out and use it in that case), and I never had a customer that chose my business over another because of it. What I DID have happen was that I ended up giving a lot of discounts to people who came to my counter expecting to pay full price. Eventually I just took down the advertisements. So who did the program benefit? The company that runs it made $500, some customers that I would have had anyway saved a few bucks, and I lost out both times.
Like I said before, I really like the concept of supportland, and I'm pulling for it to be a success. It would be great if the program worked like it was designed to, and helped not only the creators of the program and the customers that used it, but also the businesses that it's supposedly designed to support. I think supportland is structured in an interesting way, and offers more than previous programs have, even if it is a little bit cumbersome.
The bottom line though is that if it costs me more to participate than it makes me in additional sales, it's not supporting local business...
But also, as a consumer I'm super excited about the Supportland launch, since I (think I) shop local most of the time, and am therefore anticipating racking up a boatload of points without having to change my existing habits. I want to maximize those benefits by making sure all the businesses I make purchases from are at least aware of the program, especially the ones I go to all the time. That in itself is going to motivate me to make a habit of asking. If the bar/market/shop on my corner participates, I'll collect more points on a regular basis. If they don't because they're not eligible, that's a lot different than not participating because they don't think it's worth their while (which isn't likely to change the frequency of my visits). I think it's good to know either way.
It sounds like you both feel like you've been burned before on programs to help local businesses. While I'm convinced we're a different animal than those other attempts, it sounds like it'd be best for you to just observe how Supportland works for a while before participating. Every piece of the system has built in metrics for the business owners so you immediately see the ROI and know whether the program is working for you.
Just want to throw out that we LOVE collaborators - the only reason Supportland looks like it does today is through the input of business owners, bloggers, friends, and merrymakers - so if you'd like to chat over coffee sometime we're all ears. (I really, really hope you take me up on that)
I also wonder about what makes something local. It is second nature to patronize the mom and pop convenience store instead of the Walgreens next door, but the crap I buy in either place still has lots of travel miles on it. I'd like to know where I can go to get "super-local".
Supportland has a hardcore privacy policy where we legally bind ourselves to protect any information we gather. The only information shared is anonymous and it's only shared with locally-owned businesses on the network. We really just want to level the playing field with big business.
As for subpoenaing, I hadn't thought of that. I'm curious if we can address that in our bylaws or the legal framework that we're building to protect consumer privacy. Thanks for bringing it up - it seems like the sortof thing that would best be addressed proactively.
Oh, and we follow the Sustainable Business Network of Portland for our definition of locally-owned. Whether or not a "super-local" type rating system or something comes forth in the future depends on consumer demand. I've heard from a few folks that they'd appreciate some sortof system. Totally email us if you'd be interested in chatting over coffee cause we're just in St Johns and love hearing from folks.
Multiple location can be handled couple of ways. A location can be added to a business account (venue) and that location would share points/and incentives with all other locations. You can also setup multiple venues with full subscriptions each of which would have their own points/rewards to distribute. Hope that answers it!