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Bill Nye spoke out on the fluoride debate in August... http://www.king5.com/video/featured-videos…
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Still butt-hurt that the overwhelming majority of voters in Portland actually bothered to look up the actual science behind water fluoridation and voted no when they realized it's not effective, not environmentally sound and not safe for a wide margin of persons in our community??? I'm sorry people didn't swallow your lazy, hackneyed articles on fluoride. Better luck next time.
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Favorite Bill Nye moment: Bill gets booed by a bunch of rubes in Texas for telling them that the moon only reflects light from the Sun, but doesn't actually produce any. Apparently, the Bible says otherwise.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer…
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Somewhat related article about how anti-GMO advocates are the new climate change deniers. An interesting premise considering the recent fluoride debate:

http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2013/06/…
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Chuck, the straw-man issue with that piece is that it assumes all opposition to GMOs is about health. I think it's fucked up that a farmer I read about in the Oregonian had to destroy an entire field of Swiss chard because it had cross-pollinated with a GMO sugar beet crop.

I think it's fucked up that because GMO wheat was found in Oregon, Oregon farmers stand to lose their year's exports. Bottom line: it doesn't matter what any of us thinks GMOs will do to us. It matters that other countries think these things, and also that it has real impacts on farmers.

Also, Spindles, LET IT THE FUCK GO. Blogtown used to be fun.
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"I think it's fucked up that because GMO wheat was found in Oregon, Oregon farmers stand to lose their year's exports. Bottom line: it doesn't matter what any of us thinks GMOs will do to us. It matters that other countries think these things, and also that it has real impacts on farmers."

I agree, but I think you're overlooking how the fearmonger when it comes to GMO gives credence to those unverified/specious claims. The Japanese government isn't posting Monsanto skull and crossbones logos on my Facebook new feed three times a day.
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Neither am I. I don't understand your point there. I support labor unions, but I'm not going around calling people corporate shills, etc. I opposed the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I'm not on your Facebook calling all Democrats spineless for voting for defense appropriations.

Linking me, on any issue, to the nutjobs on your Facebook does not delegitimize my concerns or opinions. I also remain very concerned about the long-term damage of unsustainable monocropping--much of it being driven by Roundup-ready, GMO crops--on pollinators, soil quality and the ability to grow real food, as opposed to ready-for-processing soy and corn.

So, I don't think I'm overlooking anything at all. I think there are a lot of assholes on the internet who will mindlessly talk shit about anything, and that neither makes them worth listening to nor their opinions valid. Myself included, although I attempt to hold myself to a higher standard than, say, Spindles.
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D&W, A lot of those 'assholes' on the internet think your position on GMO's, which I totally agree with, is as ridiculous and silly as, say, opposing fluoride.
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And all of my statements above reflect the complete defense of their right to think any of those things, and yours. My reference to you was to your tendency to assault people about these differences in ideas and to foster derisive hostility instead of mutual understanding.

The internet will kill society.
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Anyone that uses "butthurt" in any context is an idiot. It's right up there with "fucktard".

The next time we have a mayoral election with 20 candidates I'm either writing in "fluoride" or "Bill Nye".
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Spindles - I know this is an old thread (also, I didn't participate in the fluoride debate at all) - but, many in sustainability circles see recovering valuable materials from an industrial "waste" stream as good. When I glanced at some of the anti-fluoride arguments, "but it's produced from waste!" was among them. Just wondering, when you say that it's environmentally unsound, is that what you're referring to?

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