Books Oct 15, 2009 at 4:00 am

The Actress-Turned-Activist Scores One for the Good Guys with The Kind Diet

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Because as human beings we evolved by eating plants and grains and not killing the cute fluffy animals! Oh no wait we DID'NT. There are profound problems with the livestock industry in this country and others, but extremism based on sentimentality makes little sense. Sure, I love animals too. I don't personally own a pet chicken or Tuna, and live in reality. For someone with your qualifications this is a bit sappy, but hey whatever works for-and thanks for perpetrating the myth that animal products cause acne or weight gain. I mean hey, I've only been studying nutrition and exercise for 15 years but shockingly I have uncovered little evidence of this. Oh and I have consumed meat etc for almost 40 years and have never had any skin problems or ever been above 13% bodyfat.
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Nothing broadcasts that sentiment of "I'm intolerant and reactionary" like your comment, Showstopper. Is anyone allowed to make an ethical or lifestyle choice different than yours in your world?
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I firmly believe and stand up for the right for every individual to make what ever choices they wish-as long as they are not harming other human beings. This included 2 tours in the military, during which I was deployed on several humanitarian relief missions (among others). I was happy to help those in another culture, because I am" intolerant". I have dated several vegetarians-I have zero problem with their choices.
Follow whatever lifestyle you want-just be informed before you preach it
Science and fact impact, not fuzzy logic. Hey I just watched "Food Inc". Disgusted? Very. But suggesting you become a vegan because its "mean" to kill and consume animals is poor logic. Incidentally you arrived at your current status in evolution because your ancestors did just that. Do what you wish but don't leave faulty logic and science to defend it
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How is "because its "mean" to kill and consume animals" poor logic? It seems like a logical argument to me. And I am not vegetarian. Please explain, Showstopper.
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There is an ethical argument to be sure. Don't confuse that with logic. It's "not right" to kill the cute bunny. It's "not right" when you encounter a 10yr old girl, dieing of starvation, and have to run a half mile through the streets of a foreign land, whilst being shot at. All 50 ibs of her(at best). To then have her die in your arms. Nothing you can do about it. I have killed the cute bunny(matter of survival, did'nt enjoy it at all) and tried to help the child. I am glad you live in a world where we can strive towards this utopia where everything is great for all. Reality much? I agree we must move past the current animal "farming" system. But if that is the only take home point you got from my post, then I can't help you much. There are bigger concerns around us and in the world........if I need to explain this too you, well............Nice that you can make this a pivotal point for your world.
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Incidentally, I do agree with the overall point of the piece. And many of us are aware the current system is very flawed indeed. Would you like it to change? Be active! Petition your congressman or senator to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Will you ? Probably not. You will do what most do here, which is to "make a choice not to support it and change your life" Which does nothing to assuage the situation, but it does give you a platform for your self righteous, self serving bullshit. Your "choice", while it may stem from noble intentions will not impact the current situation. Jesus Christ...just go read some Ayn Rand already. I'm starting to feel sick
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Showstopper,

We're in a world where we have access to the internet, access to the PDX Mercury comment section, and contrary to your analogies, access to ample selections at grocery stores. We are Not living in a world where one has to kill a rabbit to survive...

This is not to say that there are not other people who do have to make those choices. It is simply to say that we - those who are reading this article and writing these comments are Not among the starving. Instead, we are among those who have the option to eat only plants and thrive...

Thus your repeated references to "reality" are lacking. You and I am not in a situation where killing a rabbit saves a little girl. We're in a situation where killing a rabbit...kills a rabbit. Thus your arguments, though potentially valid in a completely different context are moot in the reality we are living in.


Given your statements about how one should be able to do anything they want as long "as they are not harming other human beings" clearly shows you value humans above all else. Ok then...how about the argument of how many people could be fed with all of the grain we use to feed livestock? Vegetarianism/veganism makes sense (for those who Have Choices) from an animal rights perspective, an environmental perspective, and Even a human survival perspective.


Beyond this, you state that going vegan will do nothing to "assuage the situation" and is in essence doing nothing and "will not impact the current situation"...but petitioning a senator would be doing something?? With all due respect, I've got to say that I find those statements to contain more fuzzy logic than any other comment here.

Lastly, re: your first post on veg*n and weight...it's well known (and has been for a long, long time) that a group of veg*ns have a far lower overall weight than meat eaters. This is not to say that ALL meat eaters are fat. (The simple fact that you are not obese does not negate the many studies that time and again prove that veg*ns, as a whole, weigh less). Nor does it mean that ALL veg*ns are thin. It just means that on average, veg*ns weigh less.
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I understand that it is never "kind" to kill any farm or wild animal, but I am curious how it is unkind to eat the unfertilized eggs that fall out of chickens' butts or the milk that backs up in an udder. And if it is, what is the rationale for any farm animal's continued existence?
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Wow lola nice reading comprehension . A few points for you
-the rabbit analogy refers to the Marine Mountain Training Survival course (why...real life conditions, this is what you have to eat for three weeks, but hey thats never happened to anyone..oh wait it has. Sheltered much?)...but maybe you are anti military, so lets not dwell on that
-yes I do value Humans. They are my species. I also belong to WWF among other wildlife and Animal Rights organizations. Nice Humanity fail
-Thank you for trivializing the life of a child to make your point...tell you what, lets trade. I'll enjoy "My Choices" and a cush life in "PDX", you go to Somalia in "93....oh wait, you can't. And likely would epically fail at helping anyone there.
-There are more than a few people in this state alone who don't have "access to ample selections" at grocery stores or likely the budget you do. But that is a typical stance from
people who really only see their peer group or those with the same ideals for comparison.Nice logic fail
Vegetarianism has several important factors relating to human survival. Although I find it odd that you listed that last while asserting it's importance. I am to infer that you don't care for your own kind much?
-Making a personal choice has a small impact, changing the system has a large impact...but you don't have any faith in the Government, so clearly it's up to You and other forward thinkers like you who "Have Choices" to change the world. Comical if it was'nt so stupid
-I love animals, and I want the current system of "farming " them to stop...OR DID YOU JUST SKIP THAT PART ? We probably share many ideologies, put people like you prevent me from wanting to be part of it
The weight thing.....epic funny. You do realize scale weight is one of the least reliable parameters for health....oops, obviously not
You may want to investigate body compositon...oh never mind. half the vegetarians I have met look awful, smell horrible and have bad skin. Investigate vitamin deficiencies some time. Have fun existing on Carbohydrates and Soy products. Yum! Personally I rarely eat meat and prefer free range despite the expense. Also dairy is no problem...but it so wrong to milk cows and make cheeses and stuff......good luck consuming 40 grams of protein a day, if that. Many vegetarian diets I have critiqued for clients are inadequate at best. Not to say It can't be done. But I am just be rational. You of course have loftier ethics, or at least you assume so
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Speaking of "wow nice reading comprehension"...you did a lovely job of picking and choosing what you wanted from what I wrote.
And yes, I could rebuke your statements right back as you reacted to specific words while completely overlooking pertinent sentences. But given your reply, it seems clear that no conversation will come from it - only more reactions and attempted slams...Oddly enough, despite your antagonizing communication methods from the first post, I truly tried to be respectful of you and your opinions - tried to have discussion, not just throw insults. Kudos on even remotely attempting to match that approach in your rebuttal. Apparently you stand up for the right of every human to do what they wish - as long as it's not disagreeing with/countering statements you make.
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No thanks, I have already expressed my opinions. Ours differ somewhat, but that being said you have every right to express yours. There is merit in some of your points but it still coming off a little holier than thou to me at least. I apologize if my tone was offensive to you. That is how I communicate in real life at times. This is not a college debate class, it's life. Speaking of which, despite the fact that you are clearly very intelligent, I can't shake the feeling that your life experience is limited. You seem to speak largely for those like yourself, at least that's how it comes across. Finally, again there is nothing wrong with vegetarianism, it can lead to better health for some. But I put to you that you are a bit naive if you feel killing an animal or fish for food, is an unethical or "dirty" act. So far I have'nt heard a logical stance for this
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nice trolling, choadstopper.
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Showstopper:

How can we "move past the current animal farming system" unless consumers demand alternatives? Do you think the companies that profit from industrial animal farming will stop employing their cruel $making practices by themselves? So you are anti-agrifarming but pro-meat.. How do you know the animal products you buy weren't treated horribly when they were alive? There is no guarantee EXCEPT AVOIDING THEM ALTOGETHER.

Also, the way humans treat animals IS a pivotal point in the world. The disconnected reaction that Americans have when they see human rights abuses is the very same reaction they were raised to have toward the brutal treatment and slaughter of animals.
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That is an intelligent and thought provoking response, thank you. To OP,prior comment-it is a known fact I am in fact a huge internet troll on EVERY SITE. Thank you for appointing yourself the monitor of this one, asshat.
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toad stomper,

i'll keep this short because i have a job and must get ready for bed.

how do you propose that people signal government if their personal choices don't matter much? should we all be writing congress? personal choices matter. collectively, a mass of educated consumers can change the status quo. that is the way our economic system is built.

besides, you shouldn't get pissed off at all the vegans. more for you, right?



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