And yet over on the Oregonian site cons are gushing about their lower taxes and bigger tax returns and how all of the liberals would know how good the tax cuts were if the they had jobs or brains, or both. Guess it's all where you're reading the story. Meanwhile, everyone on both sides lose, no matter what they say or believe or think or pretend they know. And vilifying the poor, whoever you believe them to be (as opposed to who they actually are), doesn't change the facts about the largest tax cut scam in history.

Here are the facts: they enriched the already obscenely rich, with the top 1% receiving the largest benefit from the cuts; they expire for individuals and corporations get to keep theirs permanently; they did NOT pay for themselves like the GOP promised they would (nor did they create one new job like the GOP promised they would); and they have added and will continue to add to the deficit until they hit double digit TRILLIONS of dollars added to the deficit - to which Donald Trump said and I quote "I don't care, I won't be here."

Except now the IRS is saying that average returns are higher than last year.

So how about we wait until everyone has files to see what the actual results are??

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/08/heres-how-tax-refunds-are-looking-halfway-through-tax-season.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/03/08/tax-refunds-week-exceed-average-last-year/3102946002/

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/433127-irs-average-tax-refund-up-22-compared-to-last-year

But then anyone who uses the IRS as a way to save money isn't the brightest bulb in the box now are they,

@1 The post was directed at people who DO work and DO file taxes, you moron. But you never miss an opportunity to change the subject to how much you hate people who collect Social Security. Welfare line my ass, you have no clue what you're talking about. You get off on punching down but you're still too dumb to realize that it makes you the lowest of all.

Someguy267

58% of eligible voters in the U.S. voted in the 2016 presidential election. 3 million more of those voters voted for Hillary Clinton (and a handful more for 3rd party candidates). The majority of people who voted for Trump do have one thing in common and it is not that they are living large collecting below poverty level government benefits, it is HATE. They are rabid racists and misogynists who decided they were going to vote for the vile pig who promised them they'd never have to deal with another black man being president (he'd undo every single thing Obama did as president, to basically destroy the existence of his presidency) and they certainly weren't going to have to deal with anyone as revolting as someone with a vagina, certainly not Hillary Clinton (who as much as he insisted was a criminal, is not, and has not ever been indicted or prosecuted for a crime, unlike nearly everyone in his immediate circle and his administration at large). There are so many articles coming out now about how betrayed his voters feel "because he's not hurting the people he's supposed to be hurting," he's hurting THEM. Yeah, sucks to be a hateful pig who votes for a hateful pig hoping to get yours and you realize he doesn't give a shit about you and you're getting fucked just like EVERYBODY ELSE.

You might want to read up on FACTS about who receives public assistance in this country. https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/reports/2011/12/16/10767/the-facts-about-americans-who-receive-public-benefits/

You might also want to understand that people cannot be "willfully unemployed" and collect assistance for their entire lives. It doesn't work that way.

You might want to recognize that you are lumping together assistance programs as if they are all the same and they are not. Not even remotely.

Welfare (which is actually TANF which = Temporary Assistance for Need Families):
https://www.hhs.gov/answers/programs-for-families-and-children/what-is-tanf/index.html

States have broad flexibility to carry out their programs. The states, not the federal government, decide on the design of the program, the type and amount of assistance payments, the range of other services to be provided, and the rules for determining who is eligible for benefits. And the reality about TANF is pretty grim, as it exacerbates poverty, instead of alleviating it.
https://www.cbpp.org/research/family-income-support/tanf-reaching-few-poor-families

SSI: Supplemental Security Income (SSI) pays benefits to disabled adults and children with limited income and resources (people who typically have no work history with average benefits being a few hundred dollars and benefits are asset based which means you can't have anything, basically, at all, and get SSI.

SSDI: Social Security Disability Insurance pays benefits to people who can't work because they have a medical condition that is expected to last one year or more or result in death (or both). Just like retirement social security benefits, it is based on your work history (how many years you worked and what you earned while you worked, as you paid taxes, including taxes collected for social security and medicare, while you worked). It is not asset based, but you must not be able to earn income in any way (as in work).

And one last thing, social security retirement and disability benefits are subject to taxation, depending on the amount earned (and other factors - like what state you live in and what other income you have). For example: my mother gets social security. This year she has to take distributions from her 401(k) which they make you do starting the year you turn 70 1/2. Here in Oregon that means that a significant portion of her social security will now be taxable because her income has increased (as well as having to pay taxes on the income from the 401k since the whole point is you get to put it away tax free, but you have to pay taxes when you take it out).

It is really easy to vilify the poor when it is the wealthy who are robbing this country blind.

And as a lifelong independent progressive who became disabled at the age of 35 and collects SSDI (income based on the 20 years of my life that I worked and paid taxes), I didn't vote for Trump. So, fuck you.

Anecdotally, everyone in my circle of liberal friends is full of grousing about this too. As I just worked out my numbers over the weekend, I'll join the chorus: my taxes almost doubled. And I'm a business owning "job creator" or whateverthefuck he pretends to like. I'm fucking livid.

Like many I'd be fine with this if my $ went to things like socialized medicine or the environment or even infrastructure. The fact that our money is going to this fucking racist sexist classist manchild's wall follies and military-industrial complex just compounds the awfulness.

Well desperately....how about more detail, release you tax returns. You paid more in taxes. Did you earn more last year?

Meanwhile corporations are happy about their billion dollars in refunds.

Blue Cross Blue Shield health insurance plans made out like gangbusters with President Donald Trump’s tax law. Even though it paid no taxes last year, it collected a massive $1.7 billion tax refund, according to the company’s latest financial report.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/blue-cross-blue-shield-hcsc-17-billion-tax-refund_n_5c86ff8ae4b08d5b7864b6dd