There is a Whole Other World Out There

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Hi, welcome to Oregon.

It's obvious you're not from here and are now learning your first hard lesson. That's okay, you've got a lot more coming. If you think Oregon is some liberal paradise like people on a TV show want you to believe, you're sadly mistaken.

Portland and Eugene are liberal, everywhere else is conservative. We're about 50/50, with enough difference to make it interesting when we get a partisan measure on the ballot. I'm betting you weren't even old enough to know what Oregon was when we were having our No on 9 battles.

Maybe go back to Minnesota, or California, or where ever the fuck it is you come from before you 'discover' more things about the place you moved to without researching shit.

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Wow that dude is full of generalizations and stereotypes.
Yeehaw, cowpoke.
To think you're being serious is difficult to understand your mentality.
I'd say you're just as bad as what OP was addressing just in a different way you let yourself believe as open minded and liberal.

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Hey, welcome to Oregon to you too, #2.

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Yeah being proud of Oregon's racist exceptionalism is definitely worth promoting, Arlo111.
Like it or not, things are changing everywhere even in the KKK haven of Oregon.
Welcome to the world. It's changing and no matter how viciously white supremacists use terrorism to prevent it from happening (or at the very least slow it down), change will come.
Must really chafe your ass that Oregon goes blue every damn time.

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Voter registration in Oregon as of May 2020 (totals are at the very bottom of the last page, by party affiliation. https://sos.oregon.gov/elections/Documents/registration/2020-May.pdf

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Not promoting anything, Christina Rae. But these are the facts that we have to deal with. And dealing with those facts is the only way to make them change. If you believe you live in some liberal paradise bubble, that's all you ever see and you get truly shocked when you run into reality. If you see the reality you are able to enact change to make it the way you want it to be, believe it should be.

So by all means, please live in your perfect bubble. Others like me who actually see this state for what it is and have no romanticism about it are trying to enact positive change that benefits all Oregon citizens, not just white liberals. Whatever you do, please don't let your privilege get in the way. Just keep living in your bubble and thinking that's how it is.

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Arlo is right. Lifelong Oregonian here. The state is not the liberal bastion that it is made out to be. For a 30 year period, mid sixties to mid nineties, both our Senators were Republican. Recently retiring rep Greg Walden, Republican. Get out of the Willamette Valley and see how progressive our state is.

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I in NO WAY believe Oregon is a liberal bastion! Please. Seattle and Portland are exactly the same with regard to their affects on WA and OR. There is still change happening. I live outside of Portland, in rural Oregon, so i am under no illusions, nor am I living in any bubble.

I still see change happening. It may happen more slowly here in Oregon, but it is happening and will continue to happen. The registered voter numbers are simply one (limited) example of how things are changing.

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Christina Rae, the fact that you believe Portland and Seattle are exactly the same shows how naive you really are.

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Ah yes, your totally irrelevant opinion of me (a total and complete stranger, about whom you know nothing). Somehow confirming your know everything and your comments = fact? LOL.

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“ It is happening and will continue to happen”

“It I s happening and might continue to happen in my opinion”

I fixed that for you CR

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I don't need an editor. You do realize this is a comment section of a local paper nearly no onre reads. I'm not presenting a dissertation or writing a book.

And, it's not just my opinion. Facts support my opinion.

Oregon leans Democratic as a state, with both U.S. Senators from the Democratic party, as well as four out of Oregon's five U.S. Representatives. The state has voted Democrat since 1988 in presidential elections. Oregon has had a Democrat as governor since 1987.

https://www.oregon.gov/das/OEA/Pages/forecastdemographic.aspx

(this from the link below - weird spacing with cut/paste from document).
In the MSA, which racial/ethnic group (in total) is expected to growthe fastestduring the next 50 years (2010 to 2060)?The Hispanic (or Latino) population segment is expected to add another 665,000 people by 2060, the largest increase in a race or ethnic population. Whites will grow by another 285,000 followed by another 250,000 Asians

https://www.oregonmetro.gov/sites/default/files/2016/07/01/FAQ-%20Metro-2060-Population-Forecast.pdf

https://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/2015/04/a_graphic_look_at_oregons_more.html

Nonwhites will continue to grow as a share of both parties’ coalitions, especially Hispanics. We find that, by 2032, Hispanic voters will surpass black voters as the largest overall nonwhite voting group. And, by 2036, black voters will make up a larger share of the Democratic coalition than white noncollege voters.

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2019/06/27/471487/states-of-change-3/

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/how-the-political-map-is-likely-to-shift-post-2020-census.html

https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2020-01-03/how-population-growth-and-loss-will-shape-future-elections

https://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-republicans-political-hole-elections-donald-trump/

There's more data available, of course, to anyone interested in facts. All you have to do is look for it.

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Yeah, keep posting those #Facts Christina Rae. Again, don't let your white privilege get in your way there. Go ahead and hear what you want to hear and see what you want to see. That only creates the bubble you're in and then keeps you locked in it. You say you don't believe Oregon is some liberal bastion, yet there you are providing links to back up that very idea.

Yep, we can agree on some non-partisan things in Oregon. But when it comes to partisan politics you'll quickly learn how non-liberal Oregon really is. You act like you own the place, but seriously, were you even living here/alive/aware of the fight over Measure 9? I'm guessing not. Here's an easier one, go look at how long it took Oregon to pass same sex marriage protection. Do you think that was easy? Do you even realize that Oregon has been the on again off again capital of white supremacy for the last 40 years?

I'm betting not.

It's really easy to see how your white privilege has shielded you here. Go live in your bubble, but realize that's exactly what you're doing. But please, don't let your privilege criticize people who are actually trying to enact the change that's needed in Oregon, because that's what you're doing whether you realize it or not.

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Arlo you clearly are choosing to see my comments through your very biased lens. Your opinion of me has nothing to do with the reality of me. I see things quite clearly. I know Oregon is the Mississippi of the PNW. I know of its extensive white supremacist history - keeping black people out until 1927 and not removing racist language from the state constitution until 2002. Oregon only has a black population of, what, 2%, compared to the country's - 13%.

It's changing though. I believe that. Facts back it up. Keep on banging that bullshit drum of yours. Won't change anything. I am not the one living in a bubble. And FYI I'm not from here - I am from NY (30 years there before I moved to Seattle - 8 more before I moved to the Oregon coast). I see Oregon quite clearly. I see you quite clearly. I get it. You're invested. Throwing around accusations of privilege mean nothing when, again, you do not know me.

Reality will be much harsher for you to accept when it comes down to it than it will be for me.

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But muh links make me the time traveling truth teller

-Cr