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From the 7/10/2010 Oregonian:
"The encounter began like so many others across the metro area.
A driver in a Subaru pulled into the middle lane of busy Southeast Stark Street in Gresham to turn left. He waited for a break in traffic.
A driver in one of two oncoming lanes came to a halt, then waved the Subaru through.
But what happened next is the stuff of nightmares. As the Subaru turned left, a car in the second oncoming lane slammed into it -- sending a 20-year-old passenger in the Subaru to the hospital. Now, more than four years after the crash, Jocelyn Edlin still suffers painful headaches, vomits at random and has a memory worse than patients in the early stages of Alzheimer's disease, her attorney says.
During a two-week trial that ended Friday, a Multnomah County Circuit Court jury was left to decide who was at fault -- including, to the surprise of some jurors -- the well-meaning driver who stopped to wave the Subaru through."
Introvore: I don't think you've ever driven, biked or walked in this town.
Another thing is that most drivers in this city do not understand the whole right of way system at 4 way stops. And pedestrians seem to have forgotten about the whole 'Stop, Look, and Listen' motto. They step out into the crosswalk, usually to busy talking or texting on their phone to pay attention to traffic, and assume everyone knows what their intentions are and can see them.
It is unfortunate that such courtesy often facilitates such dangerous scenarios.
Also, what's with the drivers who stop when cross traffic has a stop sign but they don't? Are these the same people who blow through when they actually have a stop sign? How is this so confusing to so many?
Happens while I'm driving, too, all the time. Four way stops - no one ever wants to take their turn. They'd rather try to wave me through, despite all the other traffic flying around, trying to guess what the two of us are doing. Pisses me right off!
And when I'm crossing a street on foot? Man, they were doing 30 mph - they could have gone right on by before I even lifted one foot towards the curb. You weren't in my way! Stop backing up traffic just so you can feel like you're doing a good deed!
Eh, in any case this one really does seem like you're just whining about sometime that's very small. But here's what i'm trying to figure out: why would a driver even stop for you in mid-street unless YOU looked like you were actually trying to cross the street??? Are you trying to cross the street, or not? If you're soo concerned about being run over, just use the crosswalks. If that's indeed what you do anyways, then what reason is there for drivers to just stop mid-block? If you somehow indicate that you want to cross the street beyond a crosswalk, then maybe a driver might be courteous enough to let you by. Yet, you say how UNSAFE it is for you to cross that way, insisting you're "not an idiot", & suggesting that the driver ought not be surprised if you "refuse". So like, ARE YOU TRYING TO CROSS THE STREET, OR NOT? And if NOT, then why would anyone even bother stopping?
Whether this 'I, Anon' is fake or a genuine gripe, whoever wrote it clearly didn't think this one through.
I second that. Also, don't start slowing down before you EXIT the freeway. That's why off ramps are soooooo damn long.
I too concur with the sentiment.
I'm a pedestrian. I ride a bike all the time. Most of the time i use the CROSSWALKS (that row of white bars going across the street - i'm sure some of you have seen them). Cars are SUPPOSE to stop at those white bars, if someone is trying to walk across them. I know b/c i've taken the driver's road test in this state & i had to do the same thing.
When-ever i DO cross a street mid-block (apparently that's called "jay-walking' or something), i only do so when there is NO on-coming traffic.
In any case Ovidious is right: you people DO need real problems.
it was super traumatizing to all involved and i've been a big foe of false-courtesy-wave-acrosses ever since.
There are NO cars around. I clearly have several moments, more than enough time to jolt across the street safely. I typically do this on semi-commercial streets such as Belmont or parts of Burnside [for example], especially during times of day/night where traffic is sparce. I never try & play Frogger on a busy street - if i need to cross 39th during the afternoon, i ususally take my ass to the nearest cross-walk.
No driver has EVER attemped to wave me through in mid-road b/c anytime i've "jay-walked", it's always been clear of traffic.
No driver has ever tried to 'trick me" into crossing the street.
Drivers on Belmont must not be idiots... or you're exaggerating for the sake of being internet contrarian.
People creating dangerous situations in traffic is not a real problem for you, Ovidus? Well it's obviously a REAL problem for some people. Jerkoff.
If you're on a bike and it looks like someone might be slowing down to stop and wave you through - wave them off - or do whatever you can get the point across that you don't need them to stop for you.
fuck off. Nice. What manners you have.
I've lived in this city for 5 solid years now. I've done alot of driving, bike-riding, & walking the streets/sidewalks/crosswalks of Portland. And i very seldomly have had any of the typical "issues" most folks who were apparently born here whine about on a constant stream. Really, it's just tiring. If only you folks could hear yourselves crying over such pittle pattle. You think it's bad HERE? You people wouldn't last a day in Atlanta!
You see, that's how you insult people. Now STFU and GBTW.
That is the most douchebagest of douchebaggery statements ever made and fuck you and your 5 years of living here.
From the Oregon Driver Manual:
As a bicyclist in Oregon, you must be aware that bicycles are considered
vehicles. You have the same rights, duties, and responsibilities as
From the Oregon Bicyclist Manual:
Most crashes with motor vehicles happen at road intersections and driveways, where bicyclists and motorists cross paths. To avoid these crashes, follow principle #2: ride on the right, with traffic, in a predictable manner.
In Oregon, a bicycle is a vehicle by law. When riding your bike on a
road, you have the same rights and duties as other road users.
The laws are very clear. Motorists: You ARE breaking the law when you STOP to allow bicyclists to unlawfully pass. Please, be courteous and conscious and moreover SAFE: Do NOT continue to put us in these dangerous, incommodious situations.
That is the most douchebagest of douchebaggery statements ever made and fuck you and your 5 years of living here."
I never said anything about LIVING in Atlanta (i lived in a much worse city in GA; i'm actually very fond of ATL), so i certainly did not move to get away from "real problems" in Atlanta, Einstein. I'm simply quite knowledgeable about navigating the streets of that city & how-much all you whinny babies would be utterly over-whelmed there - since even a simple Portland intersection seems traumatizing to you all.
Gawd, you people sure are dense!
I've had to turn my bike around and ride away from intersections before because a car will not go even though I have a stop sign and they don't. It is a weird politeness to a fault. Even after I've waved them through, and gestured to my stop sign and screamed at them they still wait for me.
Personally, I don't trust drivers. I don't feel safe crossing the street in front of their cars.
Thanks again for putting it out there.
You are the worst kind of insufferable prick.