So far, I am not at all bothered by the plan to ship coal through Portland. I'll wait for the County Health Department review before I get all angry about something like this. Until then, as far as I can tell, the downsides of this plan are purely speculative.
Oh yeah, Asian countries should keep building filthy coal-fired plants, and we should export whatever coal they need to help fuck up the environment forever, so that rich people with a stake in all that can further prosper. No one agrees on exactly how many pounds of coal dust per ton are lost en route, so who cares? Let's go ahead and make our air quality worse. We don't yet know all the health effects that result from this, but I'm sure it'll be fine. Let's keep putting huge amounts of mercury into the environment, acidifying the oceans, increasing acid rain, worsening public health. Each stage—mining, transportaion, processing, and combustion—adds to this horrible waste stream that impacts the environment and hurts human health, but why bother coming up with better forms of energy on the basis of a bunch of speculation? Why bother getting angry now when there will always be new studies in the future?
Geyser, don't act like this is the first time anyone has ever shipped coal through a city. I suggest that we wait for the report because coal is shipped, by train, through hundreds of cities every day, and I've never heard of this coal dust plague before. Obviously, some city somewhere is doing it without killing all of its citizens. Maybe this could cause all of the damage you're worried about, but I'd like to have all of the information before I make a decision. As for burning coal for power, I'm not a huge fan, but I don't think that the City of Portland refusing to let coal pass is going to impact global coal usage by even 1 ounce. What gives you the idea that it will?
There's plenty of information, and I don't think anyone is talking about a plague or killing all citizens. Whether or not you've heard of this info is beside the point.
Of course any city putting up any obstacles to transportation and export of coal will influence global coal usage by at least an ounce. To suggest otherwise is silly. But then I'm one of those loonies who thinks we should develop sustainable sources of energy that don't fuck the environment, and that the only ethical thing to do re: coal is leave as much as possible in the ground. There is no such thing as "clean coal," regardless of Democrats and Republicans endlessly exploiting it as a campaign buzzword. I've formed that view by reading a lot of scientific studies. We will never have "all the information" and I really think we have more than enough to act now.
There are three categories of potential negative impacts that give rise to most objections for proposed coal projects. (1) global pollution, (2) local environmental impacts, (3) local traffic impacts. For the proposed Ambre operation, I can't see how any of these complaints are warranted.
(1) global pollution. Asia has lots of coal plants, and they burn coal from all over the world, and it has a very nasty effect on the environment. If you could stop China (or other countries) from receiving coal to burn, then you could reduce the amount of coal consumed, and could reduce global pollution. But, the global coal market is just too damn big for these pacific northwest coal projects to have an impact. There is too much other coal on the market, enough to keep China happily burning coal for decades to come. Thus, the outcome of the Ambre project is likely to have no noticeable impact on global coal consumption and subsequent pollution. It would be interesting to see some sort of supply chain analysis, showing which countries produce coal, which consume coal, and how many different routes there are for countries to get their coal to market. Perhaps such an analysis would show that there's a viable strategy for reducing coal consumption by cutting off the supply. However, I suspect the analysis would only confirm that the market is too big and too global to be impacted by any supply-side policy efforts.
(2) local environmental impacts. As Torgo said, I'm happy that someone is doing a study of what these impacts might be and how real they are. I'm not sure how barging a bunch of rocks of coal down the Columbia would affect public health along the route. But I'm open to any analysis that proves otherwise.
(3) local traffic. Coal trains are a bitch. They're huge and block traffic for miles. But the Ambre proposal is for barges, which would not have any impact on our congested transportation system.
Of course any city putting up any obstacles to transportation and export of coal will influence global coal usage by at least an ounce. To suggest otherwise is silly. But then I'm one of those loonies who thinks we should develop sustainable sources of energy that don't fuck the environment, and that the only ethical thing to do re: coal is leave as much as possible in the ground. There is no such thing as "clean coal," regardless of Democrats and Republicans endlessly exploiting it as a campaign buzzword. I've formed that view by reading a lot of scientific studies. We will never have "all the information" and I really think we have more than enough to act now.
There are three categories of potential negative impacts that give rise to most objections for proposed coal projects. (1) global pollution, (2) local environmental impacts, (3) local traffic impacts. For the proposed Ambre operation, I can't see how any of these complaints are warranted.
(1) global pollution. Asia has lots of coal plants, and they burn coal from all over the world, and it has a very nasty effect on the environment. If you could stop China (or other countries) from receiving coal to burn, then you could reduce the amount of coal consumed, and could reduce global pollution. But, the global coal market is just too damn big for these pacific northwest coal projects to have an impact. There is too much other coal on the market, enough to keep China happily burning coal for decades to come. Thus, the outcome of the Ambre project is likely to have no noticeable impact on global coal consumption and subsequent pollution. It would be interesting to see some sort of supply chain analysis, showing which countries produce coal, which consume coal, and how many different routes there are for countries to get their coal to market. Perhaps such an analysis would show that there's a viable strategy for reducing coal consumption by cutting off the supply. However, I suspect the analysis would only confirm that the market is too big and too global to be impacted by any supply-side policy efforts.
(2) local environmental impacts. As Torgo said, I'm happy that someone is doing a study of what these impacts might be and how real they are. I'm not sure how barging a bunch of rocks of coal down the Columbia would affect public health along the route. But I'm open to any analysis that proves otherwise.
(3) local traffic. Coal trains are a bitch. They're huge and block traffic for miles. But the Ambre proposal is for barges, which would not have any impact on our congested transportation system.