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How come if a person tries to live in a tiny home on wheels on their property they get fined by the city but if these crazies camp out on City of Portland property no one gets fined?
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Fine the homeless. Great idea. Schmuck.
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@econoline "these crazies"? please, enlighten us: what is it about the state of lacking secure housing that makes someone inherently crazy?
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Nicolas Caleb:

econoline brought up an interesting quandary. The city wants private citizens to follow their City Code & Charter. It's not like this is the only encampment placed in the city, so it's a ubiquitous issue. In fact, R2D2 was entirely created by flaunting multiple code and zoning regulations in order to be built. If a developer built a building without a permit, they'd be in some serious trouble.

How can a city be run when some people follow the law and others don't? Does the city even have any legal grounds to go after private citizens if they do not fairly apply their rules throughout? Should we have separate rules for the housed and non-housed?

Not that I agree with fining the homeless into staying homeless, but broadly speaking, my casual observation leads me to wonder that we have very separate rules for the homeless in the city. Homelessness is a point of understanding, it's not a reason to pretend they are entirely immune from oversight and enforcement and compliance. It's not necessarily a reason to not enforce rules or codes of any kind of the homeless and enforce them stringently on other people.

A city cannot be run on such ambiguous law and enforcement. We all need to know what the rules are.
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Who could have seen this coming?!

Honestly, our city is just stupid. Flat out. I've always figured that people reaching that station in life running a city must be smarter than me. But I'm coming to the conclusion that these people are actually stupid. No sense of cause and effect or human nature. Purely reactive to every situation, surprised by everything. Incompetent and totally ineffectual.
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Blabby:

I've actually concluded that government politics, at least local issues, could be entirely run by a simple computer program. At the very least, the city needs a simple flow chart to help them figure some stuff out.
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4000 homeless people are forced to live without land laws daily in the county. The residents of Forgotten Realms want the opportunity to find better housing, but it is impossible to find work or a better way to live being forced to move all the time. This camp is a possibility of living at peace long enough to get off the street.
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Steve, turning the entire city into a constellation of shanty towns is not the solution. Regardless of the "rules" they try to establish, they breed crime and drug use and trash the land they are on.
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The solution is to give people space, to treat them like human beings. FR isn't a "shantytown" unless we are forced to stay that way. It's a group of people looking for solutions in a city that isn't giving them any.

Crime and trash is an assumption. FR has trash cans, a bath room and people to keep the peace. They aim to be good neighbors. Sorry that you assume otherwise, but it isn't true.
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People without walls don't act any better or worse than people with walls. Homeless campers just have the disadvantage of living out in the open where there are litte/no services available (or that are maintained year-round, e.g. 'Closed for the Season' bathrooms, like there's a season where people need to go and a season when everyone can just hold it). Caregivers of small children, elderly people, anyone who recreates outdoors year-round, and people without homes can all agree that public restrooms are a welcome resource. At. least.

Donald Trump threatening to use his power and influence to deport millions of people is much worse behavior than leaving trash on the ground when there's nowhere else to put it.

If you want a civil society, provide civil resources. A country that can spend six squillion dollars a year on military funding can sure as hell provide *at least* year-round public toilets, we're just choosing not to spend our money that way, because 'bootstraps'. Which is a damn shame, and a total failure of imagination.

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