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Prop 8 Is Behind Us. What's Ahead?

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This rally was a joke. My friends and I were the ones trying to incite a march, (HELL, even a peaceful conga line!) only to be shushed and silenced with a bunch of crap about needing a permit. You don't need a fucking permit for civil disobediance! If you're too afraid of getting arrested then walk peacefully down the sidewalk but DO something! We were stuffed away in a corner of PSU where no one could see us, when all other city protests were at CITY HALL. And Mr. Mayor elect? Don't be copping lines from Milk if you're not going to have the balls he did. That just makes you look like a bandwagon jumper. Disappointing!
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What should you do?
Fight for ALL our rights by attending the
END THE FED protests tomorrow at NOON

Its happening in every state- take back your
blood, sweat and tears stolen by taxes and fiat currency
owned by PRIVATE FOREIGN BANKERS.

Its unconstitutional, and its time has come.

PROTEST THE CORPORATE HEISTERS 11/22/08
(local federal reserve building, downtown pdx)
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Hmmm. Last time I checked, it was the Liberal Democrats like Sam Adams who supported all the fascists who just took away my right to smoke in a bar, a gay bar to boot.
And why are any of you looking to the govt. to approve your relationships? I'm stunned by how many of my supposedly progressive friends rip on Wiccans and humanists for polyamorous relationships then turn around and scream about their right to marry being trampled. If you want to change society's definition of marriage from its current heterosexual couple-ist rendering, you have to go all the way, and stop acting so namby pamby. I, for one, would get the government out of the marriage business altogether. But liberals can't live without Mommy and Daddy's approval, so keep up with your whiny rallies. I'll have a smoke outside in your honor.
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Hmmm. Last time I checked, it was the Liberal Democrats like Sam Adams who supported all the fascists in Salem who just took away my right to smoke in a bar, a gay bar to boot.
And why are any of you looking to the govt. to approve your relationships? All you're doing is giving a government that interred Japanese people lists of gays they can track down once they issue us Real IDs. How fucking stupid and clueless are y'all? You really think the American government is not going to head toward a police state eventually? Your buddy, Obama, wants his wars, too, just different ones than Bushie.
And I'm stunned by how many of my supposedly progressive friends rip on Wiccans and humanists for polyamorous relationships then turn around and scream about their right to marry being trampled. If you want to change society's definition of marriage from its current heterosexist couple-ist rendering, you have to go all the way, and stop acting so namby pamby.
I, for one, would get the government out of the marriage business altogether. But liberals can't live without Mommy and Daddy's Big Government's approval, so keep up with your whiny rallies instead of building an alternative world with your own marriage contracts, etc. I'll have a smoke outside in your honor. Not in Pioneer Square, though.
Posted by Your Name Here
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Hmmm. Last time I checked, it was the Liberal Democrats like Sam Adams who supported all the fascists who just took away my right to smoke in a bar, a gay bar to boot.
And why are any of you looking to the govt. to approve your relationships? I'm stunned by how many of my supposedly progressive friends rip on Wiccans and humanists for polyamorous relationships then turn around and scream about their right to marry being trampled. If you want to change society's definition of marriage from its current heterosexual couple-ist rendering, you have to go all the way, and stop acting so namby pamby. I, for one, would get the government out of the marriage business altogether. But liberals can't live without Mommy and Daddy's approval, so keep up with your whiny rallies. I'll have a smoke outside in your honor.
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Tear Down The Wall

The same sex movement is an addict. Be done already with pining over the masochist search for the holly grail of adulthood, the so called institution of marriage. Instead, gather your fellow non-married citizen and join in a cold turkey movement to strike down the business of bureaucratically issuing marriage licenses. Legislature at any level supporting the bestowal of privileges and/or so called rights upon couples is a bigoted enterprise begetting classism and division. So please be done with trying to scale the wall, let me suggest you put your resources instead to tearing the f..... down.

p.s. When the religious movement spout the sanctity of their holly institution point them to the first amendment to our Constitution.

sf
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>>> Mr. Freedom

We got your point the 1st time. You don't need to spam.
Smoking will kill you, btw.
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I agree with "oh yeah" who posted Nov 21st. I was very disappointed to have dragged my ass out of bed early on a Sat morning, showed up for the rally stood in the cold for two hours and then be informed that we weren't allowed to march. Now, when Mayor Elect Sam Adams grabbed the bullhorn, he really electrified the crowd. I'm glad he appeared, it almost made the whole fiasco worthwhile. I must say however, that it struck me as very strange that the next mayor of PDX who sounded very in your face, out loud and proud etc. couldnt figure out a way to finagle a permit for his community and supporters to actually march on such a critical issue and day (when people marched in 3,000 cities across the planet in solidarity with the protests and struggle in California and across the US) Just saying. All in all it was not a terribly auspicious debut for our mayor in that regard. It was, however the largest protest I have seen in PDX in my two years here. Another odd thing, two organizers at the event informed me they thought 3,000 people turned out, although that did seem a bit high. Here it says 1000. In any case, it was a nice big crowd.
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To Tear Down the Wall:
Your post shows that you are missing the whole point of this struggle. It is not that we are capitulating to a tired, old, outworn convention of the oppressor establishment-the institution of marriage. It is primarily the principle of this thing. They do not have the right to tell us what we can or cannot do, nor systematically via codified law, deprive us of the freedom of any activity, association, of privileges and benefits that are extended to any other group of people. Period. We are taking about our right to inclusion in everything under basic human and civil rights. That IS the Constitution, my friend!
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To morpheus
I fail to see how a marriage license is a right, it does not allow you to marry nor prohibit you from doing so. More to your point though, there are a slew of benefits, privileges, etc. which one might be allowed when claiming their marital status. Here is a short list, http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04353r.pdf . First off, how could one not argue that ANY legislature giving preferential treatment to one group over another is not bigoted? I would assume you agree with this dynamic, so why would you want this practice to spread and fester (yes the practice of governing bodies issuing marriage licenses)? Even more specific to your point I would be interested in discussing some of the top items on the list of what you consider violations of freedom. I am aware of some of the struggles loved ones have settling accounts when another passes on, or the ability of a loved one to visit another in the hospital. As a single person though I have to differ with the thought that in order for me to have rights or privileges I must enter into a contract with a third person as a witness. So the center question I leave with is: should there be any law, of our governing bodies or private companies and corporations, which give preferential treatment to anyone based on marriage status? Take care...
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THAT BITCH WITH THE BULLHORN IS HOT. DOES SHE GOBBLE WAD OR IS SHE JUST A CLAM LAPPER WISHING MCDONALDS WOULD PUT BUTTERED WHISKER BISCUITS BACK ON THE MENU?
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Sam Adams is for Gays as Uncle Tom was for Blacks.


WAKE THE F%#$ UP.
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Well, insanity would dictate that we keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. I say it's time to explore some Rovian tactics for the left. We have to fight fire with fire and this can be done with the truth as opposed to the fabrications the right puts out. Prop 8 was won based entirely on fear based lies broadcast over and over until it became a viral meme and too late to publicly extinguish.

We need new strategy. And the whole pc thing has got to go.