News Jul 12, 2012 at 4:00 am

Will Pot Reformers Ever Win the Popular Vote Again?

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For all of the faith that people put into the initiative system, I can't think of anything good that it has achieved. It seems to me that the initiative system produces, on balance, more negative results than positive. Can someone please convince me that I'm wrong? I'd like to believe that direct democracy is a better way to govern, but the evidence seems to be against that conclusion.
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As an ex-pot user (smoking every day for years) who is now old and square, my impression that this is a VERY BIG issue for active pot users, bordering on a civil rights issue. They are in the midst of it, care a lot about it, and therefore figure that it must be a huge deal to every one else. But it just isn't.

I don't mind that pot is something that people do mostly on the sly, or for medicine, but I don't need it out in the open all over town. Potheads are tedious and unproductive, and legalization in Oregon would attract thousands of them from all over the country. I don't see their desire for easy cheap pot as a pressing issue. It's still easy to find, easy to use surrepticiously.

Needless to say, I hope this one goes down.

As for the initiatives process, if it were easy to get on the ballot, we'd be voting on a huge list of stupid nonsense every two years. As it is, we seem to have to vote on the same stuff every single election (pot, casino). Direct democracy is frankly dangerous because the average person doesn't understand the impact on budgets and agencies of passing everything that sounds good. Look at what manditory minimum sentences have done to explode the prison budget. The average voter understands the "mandatory minimum" part, not the budget impact.
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Hey dumby, legalizing pot would give the state more funds for things, because you know it would be taxed. I don't smoke weed, but I used to, and the main reason in my mind behind legalizing it would be to tax it.
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Taxing pot (which is now just sold anyway un-taxed) would have brought in a large amount (probably over 100M) that could have shored up Oregon's budget which badly needs it. Taxes have to come from somewhere, either you tax weed or tax income and property higher.

Also, those out of state Pot heads (many of them who would probably be wealthy, rich/old people love weed just as much even if they pretend they don't) who would interject money into the economy. It would also free up a bunch of police/prison resources so it would be even less of an issue than it is now.

This state needs god damn money, seriously, the logging industry is almost dead but there is plenty of weed and the state needs to use the resources it has not the resources it wished it had.



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I also used to smoke weed when I was a teenager. I don't have a problem with weed with the exception that it should be regulated for the workforce. I think that is the #1 reason why it doesn't pass. Business owners are worried about liability and insurance and if pot is legalized it will make a huge mess in workman's comp and other work related legal issues. All because it takes so long to exit your system. Potheads are not necessarily unproductive or unmotivated and what they do on their own time is their own business. But they can't expect the working world to just accept them if there is no clear way to test someone if they are immediately under the influence at work. What's really fucked up is almost every other hard drug out there takes about a week to fully leave your system where you can test clean, but pot, a natural plant lasts 30 days or more. This directly leads to much higher (ha) unemployment for weedies.
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It's a common misconception that marijuana stays in your system for a month or longer. It's stored in your fat, so the less fat you actually have the less time it stays in your system. For me it would only stay in my system for a little over a week or less. How do I know this? I work out constantly and I was urine tested for a job a week after I had smoked some pot, and still got hired.
The company specifically told me they don't hire people that use any illegal drugs, and that included marijuana.
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If pot were legal, it wouldn't bring in much tax. Why? Because I would grow what I need in my backyard. And if I didn't feel like doing that, I would get it from my neighbor who would grow it in his backyard. Weed is a crop. The state isn't going to get rich off of it any more than we would taxing apples.

The most annoying aspect of this whole conversation every two years is the weak-ass rationalizations. You want pot to be legal because you want to smoke pot. Period. Don't dress it up with a bunch of fancy rationalization. The advocates want to smoke weed, which is fine, but they could at least own up to that. Even half the medical marijuana measures aren't really about sick people. They are really about the advocates' recreational pot use. Let's at least have an honest conversation about it.
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You have to be trolling, why would people buy beer from the store and pay a tax when they could just make it at home? or why would people buy anything in a state with a sales tax if they could make it themselves? Convenience, especially if you want good weed not some random plants growing in your yard.

Will people grow their own? Sure, but come on.

Also, when people drink get they hang overs, so I don't know how much weed is in that respect expect you can detect it in a system longer. However, the period of effect isn't that different. Also, plenty of people get sick from alcohol, which can knock them out for much longer. Alcohol actually isn't that efficient for the workforce.
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Blabby - well said. However, I do support legalizing it - simply because it is relatively harmless. I don't care for the high anymore personally, but many folks do.
I don't buy into the argument of 'medicinal' pot though. (ooohhh, I hear the crowds booing already...) In my mind alcohol could also be argued to have a 'medicinal' value too - and not just the old 'snake oil' of the past.
I believe the French live healthier than the average American, and I think I read that they consume a glass or two of wine every day.(OK, there may be other reasons for it...but still, I believe you could make the argument that alcohol has medicinal qualities)
I don't like how they sugar-coat the measures in terms of 'medical pot' one bit. I think for me that it makes the argument phoney. People want to get high.
As far as a bunch of stoners packing up and heading here from across the US... yeah, I can see it. One would hope that other states would follow our lead, eventually.
But they haven't with 'death with dignity' so ....?
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this is a test
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The responses to this venue are predictable and expected, but short sided.
The major issue of why it continually fails rests in the arms of the prison and arms industries.
What an easy way to incarceration, imagine for a moment the prison industry with a lobbyist that travels to different countries cutting deals with growers and gangs. The farmer grows it, the gangs move it. (I will not go in to detail so as to not insult the reader as I am quite sure that when playing pieces are presented the reader can easily put two and two together.
We live in the information age and the reason we co ex-hist from the beginning of our existence on this planet, is to remind each other from different eyes, the same information we are all privileged to. We all know EVERYTHING we just need to be reminded from time to time with different eyes. We are the masters of cut and paste and everything is true, we just do not have the privilege of knowing the source of that truth. )

The industry knows that there is a huge population of unstable personalities that can be incarcerated for any number of offensives, and these offensives come with special needs and armament. Create a fear within the populace that gives rise to justification for tax coffers to be redirected to their purpose. Legalize pot(drugs)??? Would be a good thing as the powers that use and manipulate the system would be forced to come up with more complicated methods and therefore would run the risk of more exposure for who they are. They are not that complicated and are in fact more fearful then anyone else.

The legalization of drugs would be the catalyst of their demise. And you the gang population you are the one's that are being taken advantaged of the most, these people that really run the show have turned you all into marionettes(puppets on a string) You take all the risks, you lend your brains to substances that have been engineered(or by their own natural state) to evoke behavioral modifications that can be turned into you going to prison, predictably. Question that might come to your mind is there really people out there that are that divisive????

Answer.....................YES there are. After all I just wrote this didn't I.

Have a nice day LotusMogus
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side note: I know that I am not a good writer but I am right abot this!
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Are you a chem trails conspiracy nut as well, lotusmagus?

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