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I'm against corporate personhood as much as I oppose Unions throwing money at elections.
They should both be treated the same I suppose, though neither of them represent anywhere near a majority of working Americans.
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Am I the only one who thinks that the continued, seemingly increasing vagueness of what Occupy does is starting to work against them? In the beginning they could say it's not about specifics, at that phase it was about becoming a voice too loud to be ignored. But now that people are paying attention.. they throw out terms broader and more vague then anything GWB did with turrists..
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@2: The message seems pretty clear to me: Occupy wants to drastically reduce the influence of corporate wealth on our government. There's lots of different facets to that goal, but I think the overall point's pretty coherent.

The *tactics* weren't all that great to start with; the relation between squatting in a Portland park and a plutocracy seemed tenuous and devolved into a (pretty stupid, IMO) debate about the right to assemble. They've started shooting at the target, though. Now I just hope that we get 99% voter turnout....
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All well and good. But where were these people when Citizens United was being argued before the Supreme Court? Why no protesting before it was law?
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That well-to-do old lady doesn't look like a "dirty hippy" to me. What gives?!
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@4: I recall hearing vocal public protests against corporate personhood in Portland at least as far back as 2003, long before the Citizens United decision. Corporate personhood isn't new, and neither is the public opposition to it.
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I hate that the ACLU doesn't get bashed more for Citizen's United.
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@6. Okay. Given that, what measures were taken to sway people at the Congressional level? I mean, was it just another rally in Pioneer Square that was largely ignored, or was there a more focused campaign to educate John Q. Public and elected decision makers?

Forgive me, but I don't remember anything like that back in the day. And a year ago, apart from a few people holding signs outside of the Supreme Court (which could have easily been replaced by people with NARAL signs), I don't remember a mass campaign either. Too bad Occupy wasn't around then, they could have really drawn mass attention to this thing. Now it just seems like too little, too late.
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I couldn't tell you the full extent of the efforts, especially because I wasn't directly involved with them, but one or two people I knew here back then were. It wasn't just a single rally or anything like this, but you'd have to look at the history of grassroots groups like Oregon Physicians for Social Responsibility, etc. There were a number of books and articles that tried to draw attention to the issue (such as Gangs of America by Ted Nace, 2003) but it almost surely fell into the "largely ignored" category. It's hard for grassroots efforts to sway people in Congress unless it's stuck into the very limited field of millions of people, like Wikipedia with SOPA, and even then it can be hard: there has to be extensive public outreach and a sustained grassroots pressure, as with Occupy.
Nace's book (and others at the time) railed against the ACLU for its efforts to protect corporations' First Amendment rights, including "political speech," but few were aware of or engaged in these issues (including most folks who send money to the ACLU, I'd guess), so it takes something like Citizens United to get people to notice.
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If the Move to Amend people are successful, they'd make things WORSE. As written, the group's amendment would have several consequences that would affect more than just "evil corporations" that willing give the Cancer to people. (You can read the amendment here: http://movetoamend.org/amendment).

It does NOT exclude non-profits from its language (while NOT ALL non-profits are corporations, some non-profits ARE corporations) and could potential affect the advocacy of organizations such as churches, civil rights organizations, public schools, clinics, volunteer organizations, research institutes, and museums.

SO, members of the First Unitarian Church, and possibly the Alliance for Democracy and the Raging Grannies could be undercutting their own rights if they ever chose to seek legal recognition for their group (not that they would).



The way to address the corporate-money issue in politics is through a comprehensive and constitutional campaign finance scheme (something along the lines of Lawrence Lessig's democracy vouchers) and more disclosure laws.

This left-wing constitutional amendment talk is about as effective as the Right's talk about making fetuses "people" (i.e. a lot of talk and no action).
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One sign at the rally said, "I'll believe corporations are persons when one dies." A speaker quoted Bill Moyers as saying, "I'll believe corporations are persons when Texas executes one." :-) I personally will believe corporations are persons when one bleeds. Ah, though, we all know they eat and pass waste!
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@9 pretty much. But no media outlets ever mention it. Ever.

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