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JTR, you are the grouchiest complainer about grouchy people ever.
Although...the natives here do seem a bit too passive aggressive to do a proper public stoning like we do in no-man's-land. Might I suggest a Yelp-stoning from the living room laptop as a more palatable alternative!
You could grow up.
You could eat some humble pie. I've got recipes
(Most involve deep reflection on how self-centered you are)
This is America, and we move where we please.
Thank you kindly.
~The rest of the people in this entire country of USA
(Get it? Oh c'mon.)
And let me speak for everyone when I say, if this place seems in any way deficient to you, please feel free to fuck off right back to where you came from. And I mean please, really, do it.
-Portlanders on people moving to Portland
"No one should move here. No one should be allowed it."
-Portlanders on immigration
"Everone should be allowed to come into this country"
Deal with it shitbags
Thank you for making my point. You wanna help build the wall around CA, AZ, TX... or are you just here to prove my point you fucking piece of human trash?
Hop you're voting for Trump, your views align perfectly.
One thing that may happen here.It happened in Seattle. Suicide do to gentrification. On Pine street there was an apartment building. It was going to be demonstrated for an ugly fucking condo. There was a man that had lived there for decades. He was the last person to move out. He set the place on fire and shot himself. That was right before the '08 crash. That building sat for 5 years as a monument to the violence of gentrification.
Thanks for nothing, Travel Portland, New York Times, Portlandia and all the idiots in City Hall who've sold us out. It's never been about the newness of newcomers. It's about their lack of respect for the values that made portland unique. Hint: It had nothing to do with things you could buy. This place was the antidote to America. But this latest group of transplants has dragged America here with it. This is about about greed, and consumerism, and capitalist excess and the douchebags who love them.
I think you are giving the city way too much credit for what it previously was (your "antidote to america" comment). It was just a normal, blue collar large town / small city. Yes, it had some pockets of above average greatness in areas such as music over the years, but overall, it was just a blue collar town. Let's not forget the many issues with race relations, organized crime (in the 30's - 50s), government corruption, environmental issues, infrastructure issues (that we have to this day), horrible food scene until the late 90's, etc. Hardly and "antidote to america".
Sensationalizing things through a nostalgic view of the past doesn't help anything.
Portland has since grown into a small city, as many towns have, and along with this comes growing pains. It is not a uniquely Portland thing, though. Shit grows, changes...people move (come and go). It happens constantly. To think that you think it is possible to hit the pause button on your dream of 15 or 20 or 30 years ago is ridiculous.
I grew up here, 4th generation Portlander. As a kid I remember when we were just a rest stop for people traveling I-5. The only reason why the average American knew Portlland existed is because of Clyde Drexler. Since 98-99 a steady influx of young people from EVERYWHERE have been arriving in droves, attracted primarily by rents so affordable that you could work part time and still pay the bills. The result was 15 years of weirdos clique-ing the fuck up and fighting over who was the coolest of the uncool. Oh, and pretending to be dirt poor via Hamms beer and rocking trucker caps featuring the most obscure of failed enterprises on the front.
Portland went from a sleepy, comfortable town to a haven for the socially insufferable. The piper piped and now you find yourselves with your pockets turned out. Seeing as how most of you think your inherent coolness and useless Masters Degrees place you above living on the east side of town, I look forward to your mass exodus to Idaho. Portland deserves better than a bunch of grown adults bitching about needing to make $30,000 to afford to live here.
And it's never really stopped anyone from moving here, though maybe it prevented the state from growing as fast as Colorado or Arizona or Washington. There's been a consistent stream of migrants to Oregon since the Oregon Trail days and it's grown every decade since statehood began. The big difference now is that most of the growth for decades since the 1950s until the 2000s was primarily in the suburbs of Portland while Portland actually lost population until the 1980s. It's only been very recently that Portland itself actually has grown at a faster percentage rate than it's suburbs. It's trendy to live close-in these days, it's the reverse movement of suburbanization and white flight.
But it was all part of the local government's plan for the city since the 1970s when urban renewal started--the Pearl and Alberta and Division are just the final results of the replacement of the old lumber/port economy with a new one based on lifestyle, amenities, and tourism. The 2008 recession just delayed the end result for a few years.
In short, to anyone who hates on transplants or who puts "No Californians" stickers on real estate signs. Fuck you. No, I am not sorry.
Was In Idaho recently, have in-laws that have lived there for 40+ years. Saw a couple things which might dissuade you from proclaiming it the next haven for disaffected Portlanders.
Big pick-up trucks flying HUGE confederate flags & bumper stickers (also on pick-up trucks) which simply read "don't move here". Having said that, it's a beautiful state and there are plenty of nice people there.
The sentiment behind all this anti-transplant vitriol is not limited to our special little burg. It's just more obvious because the migration here has been intense and the consequences have been jarring. I think that's an important thing to remember for all those who smugly remind us that change is inevitable and if you don't like it, grow up or gtfo. Of course change is inevitable, but the speed with which things are changing around here can understandably be stressful for people who've been here awhile.
The fact that Portland has changed quickly doesn't mean people moving here should apologize or feel bad about anything. And just because some people are stressed out about those changes does not mean anybody did anything wrong. Just because something offends or stresses you out does not mean there's anything wrong with it.
The central sentiment in the "no more transplants" mentality is that somehow people are doing something wrong by moving here in search of a more affordable life and subsequently "ruining" more veteran residents' lower costs of living. If someone does feel that way about things, then yeah, they should grow up or gtfo.
And why, in all of this, are transplants the target of the hate? Why aren't people angry at the landlords who take advantage of the increase in demand by raising rents? Remember, if your argument is "the landlords have a right to maximize their earnings because capitalism," then you also have to agree that it is someone's right to seek a lower cost of living by moving from, say, the Bay Area to Portland and making their own dollars go further.
Also, I know what you mean by the extreme expressions of conservatism and racism to be seen in northern Idaho. But those can basically be seen in every part of the Northwest that isn't a major metropolitan area. Avoiding those areas because those displays are offensive is just sticking your head in the sand.
It sounds like you're happier in a small town, which is great. Your claim that most transplants are rude and unapologetic for it is ass-backwards, though. I think the reverse is true--people who have lived in Portland for 2+ years think they can be rude and unapologetic for it and even go so far as to expect an apology from a transplant for showing up. I grew up in the Northwest. I've spent most of my life here and have traveled extensively in Washington, Oregon and Idaho. Do I have any greater claim of ownership to the benefits of living here than someone who's been here for two weeks? Of course not.
The long story short is this: No one is doing anything wrong by fleeing an extremely high cost of living. If they move to Portland and are an asshat, then they are an asshat. But they're not an asshat because they moved here.
They're just an asshat.
The people who really have attitude though are often earlier transplants who just arrived in the earlier waves of gentrification and now are pissed off that their rent went up. You'll see them at your neighborhood bar or coffee shop or park or so on, and you'll mostly just get passive-aggressive behavior at worst in person, but they often hold even more of a grudge than the people who grew up here...
They made it 'cool' then they made it 'expensive'.
Crony capitalism at it's best.
Also,as a native Portlander I will add
DON'T call the city Portlandia
Portlandia is a statue. Second largest copper statue in the world, the first is the Statue of Liberty.
DON'T identify yourself as being "from" here, you're NOT FROM PORTLAND if you moved here last year. You're not from Portland unless you at least went to school here before you were an adult.
And, the article states it but I can't stress it enough...DON'T act like an entitled ass when people like myself are mad you're invading our home. This is HOME to us, not some cool city you saw on TV or read about in a magazine.
New blood into the city has, by and large, been a good thing. It's brought fresh ideas, new perspectives and new looks/activities etc. The problem is that we've reached a critical point in the infrastructure capacity of this city, and that is creating problems: unaffordable rents, traffic problems and the like. It's part of the growth cycle of any urban environment.
Many of the things that made Portland such a beautiful place to live are disappearing and being replaced with a new paradigm, and time will tell how that all plays out. I hope that it remains a wonderful and vibrant place to be, although I'm frankly heartbroken that my hometown is irreversibly changed, and I feel it is to its detriment. It's really impossible to try and explain the loss to newcomers, and I struggle every day to not be bitter about it. I have a lot of friends who came here in the past 10 years, and that helps me ground some of my more negative feelings. It'll never be the same around here, and that's too bad, but I'm hopeful that it will still be a great city by any measure. Meanwhile I've moved to the coast, cuz I'm just too Portland for Portland anymore.
And who gave you the authority to set the standard (went to school here) by which people can say they are "from portland". Your standoffish attitude is exactly what is wrong with the self-proclaimed natives in this town who bitch incessantly about people they label as "transplants".
Guess what? The longer you've lived here, the more blame you own for these problems. You've presumably been responsible for maintaining Portland's longstanding tradition of incompetent mayors and city council members running on political initiatives so laughable they prove Portlandia plots aren't an exaggeration in the slightest. Portland is one of the most mismanaged cities I've ever seen-- seriously, it makes SF look like it has its shit together. The city government has failed to maintain all sorts of basic infrastructure and they certainly aren't capable of (nor interested in) preparing the city for intelligent growth.
But sure, keep telling yourselves Californians "caused" all the traffic and expensive rent, as if people who accrued wealth from stronger economies are some sort of natural disaster. It's so much easier if you free yourself of any obligation to adapt and carry on as if you deserve exemption from the same financial pressures that everyone in the US is experiencing right now, simply because you were born here (or more likely moved here in the 90's).
By the way, Portland isn't even that nice of a place, it's just the least expensive city on the west coast at the moment. The people moving here from expensive cities are refugees, just like the "victims" here in Portland.
Once upon a time, a man named Henry Ford offered high wages in the up and coming auto industry....just as a number of computer tech company's are today...in Portland.
Thousands flocked into the town of Detroit, from around the globe...just like the thousands that are flocking to Portland.
The lower income family's were pushed out of their homes to make way for the new homes being built to accommodate the newcomers to Detroit...just as they are in Portland.
Then the auto industry crashed...soon enough the tech industries and other fad industry's will...
Is Portland destined to be Detroit in 50 years?
I work a demanding job, for a local company (New Seasons to be specific).
They are a wonderfully ran company that looks out for their employees best interests. Their pay is good for what my position entails. However, for me to move into even a studio apartment these days, my hourly wage would have to be double. I'm 44 Years old. To work a second full time job would be physically too demanding.
What's going to happen to the service industry's here if the employees can't afford to live here? Its going to crash.
I honestly feel this structure is build on a sand foundation.
Your sentiment is really no different than that of the bitter, xenophobic morons who think Donald Trump should be president.
first I'd like to say that transplants aren't bad by default. I'd say about half of my friends moved here from somewhere else. Most of them however moved here before Portlandia and before this massive techie and condo boom. This really changed the average person's reason for moving to Portland from "living in Portland and doing what Portlanders do" to "Buying and selling Portland as a business opportunity, changing Portland, and living like people do on a satiric television show" Portlanders generally accept the first type of transplant as their own but have serious aversion to the second type. You know, like they say "when in Rome....". I see a lot of you saying "Deal with it". And we are dealing with it. Dealing with tripling or quadrupling housing prices, massive displacement of communities, the toughest job market ever, an overloaded traffic grid, the rapid closure of familiar establishments, their rapid replacement with things that look like they're from somewhere else but are marketed as "Portland" and everywhere , populating all our favorite places and neighborhoods are insensitive yuppie douchebags who walk around like they own the place and look at us funny and like we don't belong. If you wanna alienate me in my own home neighborhood, and be completely oblivious to the destruction you're causing, that's cool I guess, but don't be offended if natives and long timers treat you like a scum or a pariah and don't be offended when the local newspaper writes articles like this one. Deal with it
Thanks for pointing that out. Novel.
>>Most of them however moved here before Portlandia and before this massive techie and condo boom. This really changed the average person's reason for moving to Portland from "living in Portland and doing what Portlanders do" to "Buying and selling Portland as a business opportunity, changing Portland, and living like people do on a satiric television show"
Nobody who is part of the "tech and condo boom" moved here because of Portlandia. It's amazing that so many of you "natives" (aka bitter people who have lived here at least 5 years) continue to mutter, in the same breath, that the newcomers are "changing everything" and the newcomers are also moving here to appropriate whatever "lifestyle" you think you invented. What other problems in your life are the newcomers guilty of causing?
>>And we are dealing with it. Dealing with tripling or quadrupling housing prices
Oh how terrible for your poor city. Real estate is worth lots of money now. I wonder who could be cashing in?
>>massive displacement of communities, the toughest job market ever
"Massive," really? You mean, like, service sector workers can't live in the inner city any longer? Crazy. Never heard of a city like that.
>>an overloaded traffic grid
Whose fault is it that your city government has completely failed to maintain infrastructure here? The people who moved here and dared to find a job, so now they're in "your" way on the freeway? Or could it be that the "real Portlanders" own this problem, the ones who kept electing tax-monger assholes to city council so Portland could fund more pointless, bloated crap instead of acting like adults and improving, or even maintaining, the roadways? You have the most idiotic freeway system of any city I've ever seen and you blame "Californians" for your traffic problems.
>>the rapid closure of familiar establishments, their rapid replacement with things that look like they're from somewhere else but are marketed as "Portland" and everywhere
"My city doesn't look like it did 10 years ago! This is an outrage!"
>>populating all our favorite places and neighborhoods are insensitive yuppie douchebags who walk around like they own the place and look at us funny and like we don't belong.
You're probably projecting here. And disliking yuppie douchebags who just moved into your hood and gentrified the place doesn't make you, or Portland, special. Been happening in every city for decades. And also, the "yuppie douchebags" kind of DO own the place. As in, they own property here, they spend their money here. You're bitching about a perceived class system while exposing that you'd simply prefer a different class system, one based on seniority instead of wealth.
>>If you wanna alienate me in my own home neighborhood, and be completely oblivious to the destruction you're causing, that's cool I guess
Oh please do elaborate and tell us all how alienated and oppressed you are.
>>but don't be offended if natives and long timers treat you like a scum or a pariah and don't be offended when the local newspaper writes articles like this one. Deal with it
The way "natives" act here isn't so much offensive to me as just simply bizarre. Whiny, unfriendly, passive aggressive, stupid priorities and imaginary boogie men. Y'all will stage a sit in and protest about a tree getting cut down or the cops trying to clean up the city, but can't bring yourselves to so much as complain when you get another pointless tax shoved up your arse, or the city can't find the funds to pave your road, or your outer hoods are overrun with meth-fueled crime and can't even get a cop on patrol, or your school system is exposed as a complete failure. It's actually just sort of sad and perplexing to witness.
Anyway, Portland isn't a country. You aren't owed cultural assimilation by anyone who moves here.
Blaming transplants for traffic is my favorite of all their gripes, though. The argument is dumb on its face, but also ironic because of the long history of "their" city completely failing to maintain infrastructure so it could buy stupid toys that served almost nobody. Whenever an out-of-town visitor asks about the traffic here, I just pull up a Google map of Portland on my phone and ask "how well do you think traffic will flow through this city?" and then we share a good laugh. On any given day a fender bender on I5 north will back up traffic all the way around Portland and bleed out into Hillsboro. A draw bridge gets pulled up and the entire city stops. Texas A&M did a comprehensive traffic study and ranked Portland #6 in volatility, and how did our officials respond? They owned up to nothing and accused the study of bias. Straight outta Portlandia.
I never called anyone "ignorant," nor a "redneck." I described the behavior of people (such as yourself) who choose to blame transplants for this laundry list of municipal issues as: "whiny, unfriendly, passive aggressive, [having] stupid priorities and imaginary boogie men." And I offer your last two posts as evidence to support my case.
Now, onto your argument, which amounts to this:
If you don't like it, leave (to Lake Oswego/Clackamas), because that's where "elitists" live.
As I'm new here, I'd appreciate a list of neighboring areas that should be properly sneered at if I am to try and fit in as a non-elitist Portlander like you. At any rate, I feel vindicated in likening you to a Donald Trump supporter; your politics may be superficially opposed, but your logic is quite similar and equally retarded.
Perhaps I did come off a bit harsh, though-- I didn't mean to shit on Portland so much, just to remind folks (like you) that it was never a utopia, and the major problems* you're currently bitching about were set in motion long before the "tech and condo" people arrived. With its many faults, I still love our city and I want what is best for her, which is why I prefer to call out the roots of our current ailments, rather than mindlessly blaming someone who just arrived. [Notice I said "our city"? That must sting worse than all of the other points I've made.]
Growth isn't the only issue. Decades of mismanagement lead to the problems that are being amplified right now. Blaming the new arrivals is petty, lazy and pointless. It feeds into an un-winable culture war that will solve 0% of our real issues.* Not to mention is dodges the responsibility that long-time residents share in creating this mess.
*under the category of "real issues" I do not include: Tommy Wong's dislike of yuppies, the loss of Tommy Wong's favorite establishments, the length of the lines at Salt & Straw, the perceived social barrier between Tommy Wong and people who don't dress or act like him, and people who are generally different than Tommy Wong daring to move to Portland.
Not surprising at all that you are being left behind by Portland's growth. You seem like a real toolbag.
When I arrived in Portland it was the same. Friends told me I "had to" get interested in Basketball because "everyone in Portland is". I was surprised at first, and thought it was just the opinion of this one friend. It turns out that Portland, touted the world over as a place for weirdos and misfits, is one of the most socially rigid places I have ever lived. Coming from LA I was used to a "live and let live" vibe. Arriving in Portland I have been screamed at for safe and legal driving practices (including ALL the rude ugly hand gestures) though tapping your horn is apparently illegal inside the city limits as everyone's head blows up if you do it, even if that means you have to sit behind someone for 3 lights because he can't get his Portland Native Face out of his Portland Native Magic Unicorn Cellphone. My friend has had his garbage strewn intentionally across his entire front yard for not sorting his recycling correctly, multiple times. I have been told what I "should" and "shouldn't" say to people. I have been told how I "should" and "shouldn't" dress, eat, shop, speak, drive, clean, sleep, live, ride and every other thing under the sun. Even to the ridiculous point of what I'm allowed to call the public transportation system and whether or not I can put an umbrella over my head when it's raining.
My comment is simply this. Portland, your image of yourself is obscured. You have a belief about Portland being open minded, free living, progressive, and individualistic, but the fact is you are closed minded and rigid, and you need to get real. This is America. We have always been a nation of movers. We go where we want. We do what we want, within the bounds of the law and common decency, and the people in the cities we move to not only don't get to tell us how to live, they should know that a system unchanging is stagnant and will die. Newcomers are the lifeblood of any city. WE aren't the douchebags. YOU are. Grow up. Stop stomping your feet like toddlers yelling about how everyone is "ruining" YOUR city. Portland is an American city, and that means any citizen, or free person, who lives in America can come here. We're allowed here, even if we're a'holes. Because America.
Thanks. Good luck with your growth trajectory.
A real prince.
Or check the absurd sweetheart deal his wife got in first getting a job with Burlington College she was completely unqualified for...and the quarter million the school paid her to "please stop representing us
... no really...here is free money to just stop...please dont tell Bernie. "