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Yeah, that sounds about right.
In what way were the co-owner's actions hateful or non-peaceful?
Isn't it funny that the same trolls from the oregonian and katu troll here. Way to go mercury, bringing bad news to a new level, err no keeping the status quo.
At least the red and black has some integrity, which is far more than I can say for the suburbanite hipster wannabes that read the mercury.
yeah, slave labor is pretty cheap, but, alas, not fair trade (like the r and b's coffee)
Gee, I bet that the R&B is missing out on some high class clientele here. Lol
Too bad it doesn't make sense and they have no idea re: why people might be mad at Portland Cops. Oh well, least they didn't steal your iphone prototype.
I've felt pretty critical of the police recently, but dude was just getting coffee! I'm glad that Mr. Langley is just as prone to going nuclear over nothing as the dregs of our police force are.
The intillectual vacuum here at the mercury sure doesn't like to hide behind any superficial facade. Mercury stupid is smack you in the face stupid.
You said, "do you just believe whatever the media tells you?"
It's sort of funny. I hear the exact same thing from Sarah Palin too. I don't believe her either.
Bhowie has just bottomed out the threshold of ignorance out on this comment thread.
shut up. you're doing it wrong.
ps @ jilljohnson - WOOOOOOOH, those greshamites sure must be scared to visit the apparently-somehow-more-santimonious-than-i-thought-possible inner SE. DANG. Seriously. People are too deep in their suburban vacuum to...visit...an urban vacuum? Who are you trying to call out here, and how is such a callout even possible?
Finally, these commenters making judgements about the Mercury readership are clearly ignorant. Anyone that has been on Blogtown for a little while will realize that there are all different types of people that read and comment here, and most of them don't seem to be hipsters.
I would be willing to be that no one would bat an eye (and many would laud the R&B as heroes) if the person denied service were not a cop but a member of Westboro Baptist or a Klansman or a BP executive. But, even with the substantial number of legitimate grievances our community has against the police, this act cannot stand? I don't get it. 600 cops march on City Hall to protest a disciplinary action against a guy who has a history of violence and has killed a man? Yeah, I think a lot of people may feel intimidated by their defense of the thin blue line. Was it douchey of Mssr. Langley and the R&B to kick out a cop (who was apparently leaving anyway)? Yes. But perhaps it might inspire just a few of the vast majority of PPB officers who aren't gigantic assholes to stop and think about why a lot of people in the community don't trust or respect the police. We're past the point of putting faith in the PPB policing itself. Maybe it's time to make a concerted effort to force the bureau into some self reflection.
I know, I know, it must be tough living so close to so many walmarts and KFCs, the temptation to stick your head in a vat of budwiser and putrifying chicken-grease while gurgling and burping your way through the newest the office is far too appealing for you to resist, thus making a life in any real human sense completely out of your reach. I know this and I should probably be encouraging you to break that chain rather than brutally attacking your stupidity for a small sense of amusement, but sometimes chastisement is cathartic and ya'll deserve it anyhow.
What a bunch of entitled pricks. They grow up enjoying, and being protected by, the benefits of the infrastructure that was built long before they were born, then complain about those now tasked to maintain it. This is exactly the problem with America right now, on the left, on the right and everywhere in-between... We look to our public institutions for blame, without even realizing we're looking into a mirror.
Pogo was right...
Are you not a shill for an international PR firm?
Do you really expect us to believe you?
As someone said earlier, your doing it wrong.
You instantly discredit yourself when you start insulting the person you are supposed to be having a rational discussion with. Your passive aggressive style of writing (and I am sure every day living) is self-defeating. Your stereotyping (which usually is a red flag for a racist) of both SE PDXers and the suburbanites of PDX are not only wrong but a little scary. How many people do you actually know and interact with. Do you not know or interact with by choice or not people that live in SE PDX that don't get it and eat at mceedees every day etc... don't you know even one person that lives in the suburbs that lives a life that you, the judgment wizard that you are, approve of? If not I suggest that you expand you circle of friends, get out meet people, lay off the PBR for one week. Until then just STFU and quit attacking people for where they live, it's ethnocentric and not attractive. By the way I live in SE PDX because i love it, but not because of transplants like you that move here and think you discovered the town and you are the perfect PDXer.
Kudos to the cop for not taking it personally.
BOYCOTT RED & BLACK!
"I'm sorry sir but we don't serve police here".
"Well, I don't eat 'em!"
And FYI - PDX is fuulllll of fast food. And office buildings. Ever been to Lloyd Center? Lombard? Sandy? Powell? Foster? 82nd? MLK?
We shouldn't be discriminatory any more than we have to, but asking a police officer to leave, while silly, it's the biggest deal in the world.
BTW madelodactyl, are you using a different meaning of ethnocentric than I am? Because you seem to cast ethnocentrism as contrast to the diversity within gresham. Now, I might be wrong here but if I still understand english (which is not to be so quickly assumed after the trepanning I have received from forcing myself to read the inane comments from the suburbanites here trying to pull defense of their commercialesque lifestyles out of colonel sanders rectum) ethnocentrism is a focus upon ones own culture as preeminent to all others. Now, if I have my understanding of culture correct, different soap opera choices and diverse SUV styles do not mean different cultures, but rather variation from within a culture.
All of which is to say, despite your rigidly logical and otherwise incontrovertible position, you are conflating terms. The term ethnocentrism with the term... well actually it is unclear what the term is but whatever it is it means the opposite of "the diversity within gresham" (a term which itself is nearly a logical contradiction). Logicians are still debating whether such a term can be employed without creating the lexicographical equivalent of a singularity.
Also, don't take my unhelpful irrational arguments as any defense SE or Portland at large. Clearly they are both filled with gentrifying idiots (including those hipsters that your suburban pal are so envious of), however since your otherwise infallible sense of context seems to have missed the flow of conversation the discussion was focused on the Red and Black which (though it may have seemed random to you) happens to be in SE.
Would it be to much for me to burden you with at the moment to point out that your "poor people don't know any better" argument is classist. As a poor person myself I feel like the poor people can't help themselves from eating fast food and shopping at walmart argument is a bit outdated. Then again, as you clearly elucidated for us all, my arguments are unhelpful to my (as yet still uncertain) aims, and irrational as well. So then it must be the case that the suburbs are indeed the paragon of diversity, sustainability and social responsibility that you claim them to be.
Anyway, I live in the inner NE and work at a cafe in the inner SE. I've never been to the red & black, so I guess I'm not sure what goes on there, but it would take a lot for me to kick out a paying customer. I worked at a cafe in CA in a location where a lot of homeless people hung out and if they could scrounge up a dollar for coffee I always let them hang out and drink it, even if they offended the sensibilities of my regular clientèle. The way I figure it everyone needs to be pushed out of their comfort zone every once in a while and paying customers deserve to enjoy what they paid for, which is not just a cup of coffee but some time to take a load of and enjoy it someplace comfortable and warm.
So I guess what I'm saying is that I can't imagine feeling differently about a cop who scrounged up a dollar for a cup, even if my customer base was of the type that felt threatened by men or women in uniform. What amazes me though is that no one actually seemed to feel threatened by the officer except Langley himself. And he has every right to do whatever he wants in his cafe. But just because the rest of us feel like he's kind of being a prick, does not mean we fit nicely into your neat little box of ignorant suburbanites.
One more thing, a commenter up thread (Bhowie, I believe) mentioned that none of us even knew the real story and were willing to believe whatever the media told us, but that commenter never enlightened us on the real story, which I would like to know.
I am also below the poverty line, and live pretty f-ing close to Gresham, though still in Portland. I found that the less money, I have, the worse I eat, because I can't afford a lot of high quality produce. Saying that lack of access and inability to afford good food prevent someone from eating well is quite different from saying "they don't know any better". So now I live out here, because I have found that housing prices closer in are generally to high for me to afford while living on a housing lot large enough for me to grow my own food (my solution to the high prices of local/organic/fact that organic does not necessarily mean sustainable). Aaand, there are quite a few people out here like me. So you can stop generalizing.
But you're right, we have gotten off track. Feel free to continue discussing the cop situation. And by discuss, I mean continue to accuse everyone who disagrees with the R&B as being a suburbanite who can't get their heads out of the KFC deep fryer. Or whatever other compelling argument you had previously put forth.
How about expounding on that for the rest of us that don't patronize that establishment? Maybe we don't know exactly how patrons of the R&B feel, and maybe we want to understand.
That seems to be the crux of the discussion at hand, doesn't it? Understanding what exactly the specific reasons are, and evidence for the owner concluding that the police officer was a threat to his customers? Why, if those reasons are rooted in a general sentiment of distrust toward the police, is it ok for this business owner to treat this one particular police office the way he did?
Isn't that the very definition of discrimination, the application of general sentiments to specific persons by way of an exclusionary practice? For all the owner of R&B knows, that officer may agree with him on a number of sociopolitical issues, but he wouldn't be able to find that out if he immediately dismissed the officer in a discriminatory fashion.
And, furthermore, while we all know that the Portland Police department has plenty of problems, how exactly is discriminating against them like this conducive to fostering a better relationship and a greater understanding between them and their constituency? How is it going to help them improve their performance, and motivate them to work more compassionately with the communities they serve?
Maybe we should start posting pictures of child molesters everywhere so they can be asked to leave wherever I may be, because that is far worse. Especially since atleast two of the patrons that I've seen in the R&B are convicted child molesters, you can find everything on the internet these days.
What exactly makes you think he went in there to intimidate, rather than, oh I don't know, just get something to drink? Sometimes a pipe IS just a pipe...
I suck with words. Frankly, I'm surprised Blogtown let me register a user identity to post. Power to the people, I guess.
As far as R&B: it's a worker owned, communal minded cafe. It's also vegan (which, really, shouldn't be a part of the conversation). If you want to understand the place: go there without any expectations and order a sandwich. Also bring cash as the debit card/credit card situation blows.
don't forget that YOU could be the next citizen killed by these rogues!
Wait! Your poor and you don't shop at Walmart (located in SE PDX)?!?!
But I thought that all poor people shop at Walmart, just like all people who live in the suburb drove SUV's and err....nevermind. Had i known you were just a troll I would have never responded to you. How many times have you checked back to see if anyone responded to your brilliant post. 50, 100, 150? Do you get butterflies in your stomach when you see that someone has and you get to tear them a new one. How sad. You are pathetic. Your posts scream of ethnocentrism, bigotry, generalizations, and hate. Furthermore they have no substance. For example your last post to madelodactyl can be summed as this:
Thank-you for your post I disagree. blah blah blah...
Definition of ethnocentrism. blah blah blah...
more generalizations and stereotyping about people that live in a certain location that is inferior to yours but somehow this to you is not ethnocentrism blah blah blah..
More drivel with no substance.
I see you have your thesaurus handy, does it help your low self esteem? They say that people who purposefully use words that they THINK other people won't understand lack self confidence and worth and are trying to overcompensate for inadequacies in their lives.
Who knows? I've always cogitated that sesquipedalian terminology obfuscates the rumination. That cabal of pompous polysyllabic pontificators can osculate my gluts.
By the way fucktard, I do live in SE PDX and have for over ten years. I pay property taxes that help support Multnomah County, do you? Probably not, too busy crushing PBRs, couch surfing, working on your fixe, etc.. to bother saving to buy a house. I know it shatters your world that someone that lives near you could possibly disagree with you but it is true. But in your imaginary world it is easier for you to group people geographically so why don't you just keep rolling with that.
I wonder how many non-uniformed police officers will be frequenting the Red and Black now. Way to get yourselves on the radar guys. Those 20 something victims of oppression will have something to get paranoid about now. HA. I loved you until you went vegan and became haters of cream.
People are kicked out of places all the time (the homeless man in a starbucks example has become a cliche on this blog) and no one really cares. A LOT of businesses have a sign that says,"we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone". They aren't breaking any laws by asking someone to leave that is threatening, on drugs, carrying weapons, being disruptive, etc. It's the fact that it's a police officer that really strikes a weak point for a lot of people apparently. The fact that he carries a gun seems not to matter to most of the people on this blog. i mean, yeah, he can legally carry it, but does that mean you want him in your establishment? (obviously some do, some don't)
It's understandable that the Red & Black, an anarchist, anti-authoritarian, activist hangout would feel threatened. If I worked there or was there as a customer I would be afraid that the cop was scoping the place out and I would feel uncomfortable. Honestly, I'm surprised that a police officer even went in there. If the cop was really on his way out then it was probably a stupid move to "throw" him out, akin to painting a target on your own back. But it's understandable. I would have done it differently, but then, I don't work there. In THIS specific location I think it's totally understandable and kind of expected.
I work in food service and I've served people that I don't like and/or agree with their philosophy or way of life. People with swastika tattoos for example that make me feel really uncomfortable. I still served them because it is a business and it's function is to sell goods for money. If I was working somewhere else, say a day camp for African American youth, and this (swastika tattooed) guy came in wanting to buy a T-shirt we were selling I would tell him to leave, take his business elsewhere because he made all of us uncomfortable. Do you see my point? That sometimes it's about the location, and not as much about the act of making someone leave. If you need to be in a place where cops hang out, go somewhere else. (trying not to say a donut shop...) Otherwise, does it really matter?
Who would the owner call if some other patron refused to leave his store?
corporate media blogger in anarchist café = looking for trouble (stirring up the shit)
ignorant posters on corporate media websites = stupidity exposed and now documented
red and black café in corporate news = jam packed café / upswing in business
victoria taft KPAM potty mouth coffee for cops stunt = embarrassment & cafe harassment
who ya gonna call discussion for R & B = it wont be calling cops unless a desire to be shot
misunderstanding on what anarchism is = 90% of the comments here & corporate media
R & B shit talkers opinions and concerns = Anarchists don't care what you think or want
accusations and slurs, insinuation = spreading disinformation, causing trouble, childish
grandstanding "law enforcement" cops on pedestals = inaccurate, overlooks police abuses
underwear in a bunch, slobbering, trolls and whiners = laughing anarchists & celebrations