Exactly.

Well, I commented on the other issue, thru and thru, now I feel "obliged", ethically, to respond on this issue. What about if the Govt Feds had offered help to plant the bomb, thus placing a "fake bomb", saving one Law Enforcement Officer his limb, and two life's? Or had employed another method of procedure? These are turbulent times. Have been for quite a while...

@Leaky: OMG What if?
Yeah, that would have been sweet if they did that. Save some lives/limbs.

Those fat white guys are def terrorists. Just like McVeigh.
But they aren't being charged as such? Seems unfair.

@ROM - I think Leaky's point is that those who would decry the FBI's help of Mohamud should see the Turnidge's actual detonation of a bomb as the natural result of NOT stepping in.

It's a logically sound analogy, but I think it's pointed at a straw man, Leaky. No one is arguing that the FBI should have let Mohamud detonate his bomb, so I don't think your 'what if?' really provides contrast.

Maybe an analogy? If I said "OMG, I'm so mad, I want to kill Leaky!" and ROM stepped in and said "Well, here's a free gun, and here's a good plan, and here's a free apartment for a few months while you think about it, and I bet you could totally get away with it..." Well, sure, I would totally need to be sent away. But would ROM be blameless? Didn't he escalate things, enflame things?

@Reymont: I haven't been paying a ton of attention to the comments on this matter (in part because a couple of the commenters type like they're on acid), but isn't part of the narrative of the story that the FBI continually gave Mohamud "outs"? Like, "You don't HAVE to do this, man... but if you feel you do, here's some means"?

Also, it seems to me that those "decrying" the FBI's role here aren't actually totally decrying it, but are instead bringing up these items for the purpose of discussing them. Denis' posts aren't declaring that the FBI are in the wrong here - rather, they're saying, "let's talk about this angle."

My "OMG What if" comment was mostly directed to how Leaky's comment was just a series of questions. It didn't feel like much of a comment to me...

Ah, seriously Mirk?

Bruce Turnidge = white =Christian = "Freedom Fighter"

Mohamed Mohamud = scary brown = Muslim = Terrorist

Duh!

Whoa, Turnridge looks like Brian Cox playing Walter Sobchak.

@ROM, Reymont is Right.

"Hey, we have a couple of bros with like a full backyard full of heavy duty guns and grenades, like, like they wanna form they´re own Govt´, and like, all that you know. They have grenades and shit, and all they do is talk about blowing up a Bank to show, the Government, a lesson"

Hearing that for months, wouldn't have been nice dude, if some one, like, told the authorities about this, thus saving 2 lives, and ONE leg? I think it would have been, like, totally rad.

@Raymont, well, really what I meant to say, with the phrase "Or had employed another method of procedure", it was exactly that. That other methods could have been applied, different to those of the Muhamud case. Cuz it´s a different scenario. Ask me again if I didn´t clarify this essential part. It wasn´t an analogy. I wrote it as one. But the message was the one you caught. That the Law Enforcement Agents could have steeped in before the "accident" happened. Which is proper. Handling the situation differently.

And about the whole thing, like I said it before. If he was obsessed with his Jihad trip, he most likely would have done it anyway, but with a home made bomb or with help from some one else. That´s my own personal conclusion.

This drives me to the inflammatory part, we can go on for hours. That maybe just shows how "volatile" his state was at the time (volatile for months?), or maybe he was a victim of his own desires. But I don´t buy that. They use people with that state of mind to carry out real Jihads. It´s like what the FBI did, but without killing anyone.

And about what "Punishment" he "deserves", I won´t go into that, cuz I really don´t believe in Jails systems anywhere in the world for lots of reasons. Most of all, cuz almost no one when they come out, come out rehabilitated. They come out worst than when they went in.

@Leaky: I don't think you should tell me that Raymont is right (which implies I'm wrong / disagreeing with him), and then proceed to basically repeat my point.

Also, something to think about: http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource…

Your paragraphs are hard to read.

Yeah, ROM, I write em in such a way as to make people think. Other people have gotten my point, thru and thru.

Keep your link to like pick up chicks or something.

And keep your low self esteem at the door I.E go brake some body else's patience. I don´t spoon feed ideas.

no commenter is above improving their syntax.

Thanks for the info smirk! Im still holding out for a conspiracy theory.

Yeah, no commenter is above improving their syntax (which your right, but not in a way as to make things - simpler or orthodox for the common reader- ), like no commenter is above using his brain a little bit more intelligently and focused. A little more openly. It´s an exercise. Sometimes which has to be carried out daily to obtain a little gain, in various fields. All of this, which can be controlled at will, right dude?