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The facts are that the city has installed traffic calming measures, including roundabouts and speed tables, on most through north-south streets between SE Hawthorne, SE Division, SE 20th and SE 39th, including on SE 20th, SE 30th, SE 34th, SE 35th Place and SE 37th.

The SE 26th/27th corridor is the only major through north-south route in this area that doesn't have traffic calming and the new Safeway store is going to fill this corridor with new levels of traffic not seen on this route before.

I don't object to the traffic so much as I object to the fact that very few motorists observe the speed limit while racing through the neighborhood, and speed tables are just about the only sure way to get these motorists to slow down.

There should have been a traffic mitigation plan that included a traffic calming element, PBOT can claim whatever they want, but I count this as a fail on their part.

The neighborhood is filled with cyclists, pedestrians, kids, pets and seniors who deserve better than this from the city.
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'Bike advocates' need to become aware the label has become synonymous with 'whiner'
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Neighborhood traffic diversion is a livability issue for everyone in the neighborhood, and not just for cyclists.

But the city can't have it both ways, either this is a designated low traffic neighborhood route for cyclists, or it's a major access throughfare for the Safeway.

I might just have to go back to riding my bike on SE Hawthorne.

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And seriously, PBOT's claim that they'd rather have the Safeway traffic on neighborhood streets than on Hawthorne Blvd., because Hawthorne is already too congested during evening rush hour, is disingenuous and lame, and goes against all the traffic planning principles I though PBOT stood for today. That's not 'balance', that's a traffic assault on the neighborhood. I thought their goal was to reduce cut-through speeding traffic in neighborhoods.
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Easy Randy - gonna give yourself a heart attack.
It's just a Safeway, not the only IKEA in the state or anything.
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Albright's bizarre plan is wishful and pointless. Diverting Safeway drivers onto Hawthorne will not trick them into forgetting about driving home. They'll simply turn back onto 27th or 29th.
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The New Seasons on Williams -- now with 50 percent fewer car lanes in a city where 90 percent of people travel by car! -- is going to make this issue look like a four way stop in a town with one intersection.
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Mercury, could you endeavor to always put the words "local bike advocate" in the first sentence of these posts so I can stop reading earlier?
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@8: Who are you trying to kid? You love reading anything here about bike transportation and then talking shit in the comments. As far as I can tell from your hundreds of comments on the subject, you project onto all cyclists your resentment about how Portland has changed, and you feel oppressed by the perceived "liberal guilt" that bike advocates use to ruin your day.
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BREAKING NEWS: Concerned citizen receives minor press coverage of reasonable effort to protect safety of neighbors; internet assholes go ballistic.
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Last night I heard someone say I don't run Hawthorne anymore there is always a speed van on it.

We have forgotten why they build boulevards to keep traffic out of the neighborhoods and have so calmed them that the traffic speed aware GPS units are suggesting the neighborhoods as the quickest routes during rush hour.
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(Lysol from Mad Real World Voice)- I don't feel safe.....
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geyser, untwist your undies.

Rosy, once all boulevards have been "improved" like they're doing to N. Williams, car traffic will have little to lose by using neighborhood streets instead. They want to reduce Williams to 20 mph. If you're in a hurry, why not use the adjacent local street? Or better yet, a nearby bike boulevard. Fewer stop signs.

Here's a little hint about the City of Portland that many of its liberal boosters don't get. They don't give a crap about specific citizens. They just care that they're spewing the right sustainability crap to the city in general. If some change or "improvement" they make pisses off everyone in the immediate area, they just write you off as someone who doesn't "get it" and you are no longer their audience.
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Oregonmetry: I want to live a life where a few people bringing up equally valid concerns about the ability for EVERYONE to get around safely is considered "going ballistic." That must be cushy.
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anyone want to make a little wager as to what percentage of the households along this route will sign a petition requesting that the city do something to slow traffic down?

speeding on any street is bad, but in a residential neighborhood it is downright dangerous and rude, and it's something almost everyone does but no one wants to acknowledge or talk about, until it's happening on your street.

and as much as I dislike them myself, I have become convinced over the years that speed tables - those wide, flat speed bumps - are the only thing that has any effect on slowing down determined speeders.
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So what's the traffic like in Colonial Heights today, one day into "Safewayocalypse?" Looking pretty calm from where I sit. I live in the same hood as Randy, and I care about speeding traffic as much as he does. But so far, there's no discernible impact from the new store. Much ado about nothing?

There's been a lot of folks in the neighborhood driving to Fred Meyer or New Seasons during construction of the new store. But now we can walk to Safeway instead, which reduces auto trips in the neighborhood.
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what street do you live on, dimag05?
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Close enough to know that of which I speak.
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you're either on the main route between the signal at 26th and Division and the signal at 27th and Hawthorne, or you're not, which is it?
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Speed bumps solve all problems. - Bike Advocate
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"YAWN" Wow, people here have serious everyday problems eh?
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My experience, as a cyclist, with motorists and speed bumps/humps/tables:
Motorists swerve around me, into the oncoming lane (or, more often, straddling the divider and thus passing with inches to spare), accelerating wildly for a quarter-block, then stomp on the brake at the "traffic calming" installation.

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